SFL Archives Volume 20b
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Movies, television shows referenced: STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE (tv-series), STAR TREK: VOYAGER (tv-series), BABYLON 5 (tv-series), ROAR (tv-series), MILLENIUM (tv-series), CONAN THE BARBARIAN (tv-series), HERCULES THE LEGENDARY JOURNEYS (tv-series), XENA WARRIOR PRINCESS (tv-series), X-FILES (tv-series), HIGHLANDER THE TV SERIES (tv-series), TEAM KNIGHT RIDER (tv-series), BAYWATCH NIGHTS (tv-series), THE VISITOR (tv-series), EARTH FINAL CONFLICT (tv-series), NIGHTFLYERS, SCREAM 1, BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER (tv-series), MIMIC, LOST IN SPACE, MEN IN BLACK 1, AN AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON, BATMAN AND ROBIN, CONTACT, MONSTERS (tv-series), MISSION GENESIS (tv-series), HONEY WE SHRUNK OURSELVES, CRONOS, JAMES CAMERONS AVATAR 1, EVENT HORIZON, KULL THE CONQUERER, GATTACA, SPAWN, STEEL, STARGATE SG-1 tv-series), ALIEN NATION tv-series), SLEEPWALKERS (tv-series), LORD OF THE RINGS, STANLEY KUBRICKS A.I., SPACE TRUCKERS, THE POSTMAN, AMAZON HIGH (tv-series), NIGHTMAN (tv-series), TIMECOP (tv-series), NEVERWHERE (tv-series), THE APOCALYPSE, ROCKET MAN, MEN IN BLACK 1, THE DEVILS ADVOCATE, STARSHIP TROOPERS 1, I ROBOT, MORTAL KOMBAT 1, ALIEN RESURRECTION.
SF&F stories referenced: I AM LEGEND, SHADOW WARS, RAMA 2, DRUM WARNING, LORD OF THE ISLES, FOOTPRINTS OF THUNDER, FIRESTAR, THE CALCUTTA CHROMOSOME, AMMONITE, THE LAUGHING CORPSE, BEYOND THIS HORIZON, FOOD OF THE GODS, CARD MASTER, GOLDEN WITCHBREED, HUMPTY DUMPTY AN OVAL, SEARCH FOR THE SUN, THE TRANSISTION OF HP LOVECRAFT, MAGIC KINGDOM FOR SALE, GATES OF IVORY, THE DUNGEON, GRUNTS!, STRANGER IN A STRANGE LAND, BEGGARS RIDE, WHO HUNT BY NIGHT, REMNANT MOON, BEYOND THE BLUE GATEWAY, EARTHQUAKE WEATHER, THE GODWHALE, THE SHADOW MATRIX, GAP INTO CONFLICT, EXPENDABLE, THE REALITY DYSFUNCTION, THE PROPHET OF LAMATH, EMERALD HOUSE RISING, BIBLE STORIES FOR ADULTS, THE OTHER END OF TIME, THE GOLDEN COMPASS, THE SUBTLE KNIFE, ANTHEM, WIND FROM A FOREIGN SKY, RED MARS, BLUE MARS, POINT OF HOPES, THE BILLION DOLLAR BOY, CAPTAIN COURAGEOUS, THE FLEET OF STARS, FLUX, WIZ BIZ, DRAGON, HELLSTROMS HIVE, THE PATH OF DAGGERS, COST TO BE WISE, HYPERION, ENDYMION, RISE OF ENDYMION, VIRTUAL DEATH, BOOK OF NIGHT WITH MOON, ZODIAC, NEWS FROM THE EDGE, PROFITEER, CYTEEN, HOGG, BLAMELESS IN ABADDON, BEYOND THE VEIL OF STARS, WATERBORN, A PURSUIT OF MIRACLES, THE OPIUCHI HOTLINE, THE PEACE WAR, MAROONED IN REAL TIME, WITCH AND WOMBAT, PERMUTATION CITY, GAME OF THRONES, DECEPTION WELL, CELESTIS, THE LAST DEADLOSS VISIONS, THE GOLDEN KEY, INFINITE JEST, IN ENEMY HANDS, TAM LIN, THE REVOLUTION FROM ROSINANTE, INTO THE FORGE, THE WEAPON SHOPS OF ISHER, SECTOR GENERAL, TO SAY NOTHING OF THE DOG, ONE FOR THE MORNING GLORY, TITAN, SLANT, HEART OF THE COMET, THE PRACTICE EFFECT, HOW LIKE A GOD, CIPHERS, RALLY CRY, UNION FOREVER, MINDSTAR RISING, A QUANTUM MURDER, THE NANO FLOWER, INTO THE FOREST, THE CAT WHO WALKED THROUGH WALLS, THE WHITE PLAGUE, INHERIT THE STARS, THE GRID, THE BARBED COIL, OWLFLIGHT, MOMENTO MORI, EXCESSION, LOOK INTO THE SUN, LADYLORD, PROPHET, RUNNING WITH THE DEMON, DARK BORDER, ONLY FORWARD, FIRST AND LAST MAN, THE WORLD THE FLESH AND THE DEVIL, STARLIGHT 1, THE POSTMAN, CATCH THE LIGHTNING, ETERNITY, ROGUE MOON, FINITYS END, THE FAIRY OF KU-SHE, 100 WICKED LITTLE WITCH STORIES, 100 VICIOUS LITTLE VAMPIRE STORIES, PRESENT TENSE, DIASPORA, THE CLOAK AND DAGGER, CATARACT, THE LAST WIZARD, STEAL THE DRAGON, SYZYGY, THE PRICE OF THE STARS, TIMESHARE, TREACHERY OF THE DEMON KING, LOOKAWAY, TIGANA, LENS OF THE WORLD, STAR FRACTION, THE STONE CANAL, POWERS THAT BE, ROSE DAUGHTER, THE CHAOS BALANCE, DESTINYS ROAD, INVERTED WORLD, ATLAS SHRUGGED, POSITRONIC MAN, PATRIOTS, STATIONS OF THE TIDE, THE CYBERIAD, THE MOUNTAIN MADE OF LIGHT, THE SERVANT OF THE BONES, TOMOE GOZEN, THE ARMOR OF LIGHT, TEKLORDS, FIRST TO FLIGHT, MALLWORLD, FIRE FROM THE WINE DARK SEA, A KING OF INFINITE SPACE, SCHISMATRIX PLUS, THURSDAY, SOMEONE TO WATCH OVER ME, HOW FEW REMAIN, THE CENTAUR, THE MERRO TREE, A FOREST LORD, LOOKING FOR THE MAHDI, FARADAYS ORPHANS, FALSE DAWN, THE TIME OF YOUR LIFE, VIRUS, POLGARA THE SORCERESS, NEVERWHERE, THE ALIEN DARK, LEGEND, WIZARDS FIRST RULE, DR ADDER, DERYNI RISING, DREAMSNAKE, ALADORE, SABRIEL, THE DIAMOND AGE, LEGGY STARLITZ, DISTRACTION, YESTERDAYS MEN, OTHERLAND, THE KILLING STAR, THE RISING, MARS UNDERGROUND, WIZARD AND GLASS, DARWINIA, THE INTERIOR LIFE, MIRROR DANCE, DANCERS RISE, EINSTEINS BRIDGE, FOREVER PEACE, MARTIANS IN MAGGODY, A WALK IN THE SUN, RAZORS EDGE, JINGO, PICNIC ON PARADISE, FAMILY TREE, EXORCISMS AND ECSTASIES, STARSHIP TROOPERS, THE DRAGON AND THE UNICORN, THE NEUTRONIUM ALCHEMIST, VOYAGES BY STARLIGHT, EXILE, THE PRESTIGE, JURGEN, THINK LIKE A DINOSAUR, MAGICIANS WARD, FUGITIVE PRINCE, HARVEST OF STARS, SPIDER LEGS, SIN OF ORIGIN, FORTRESS OF EAGLES, CLOUDS RIDER, DUNE MESSIAH, A SONG FOR ARBONNE, WITCH WORLD, RINGWORLD THRONE, FLIGHT OF VENGEANCE, CITY ON FIRE.
Pop culture references: the Social Credit Card political party of British Columbia Canada, Dennis Miller's sprawling referential monologues, Baywatch Nights, George of the Jungle,
Technology callbacks: "dusty 3 inch A disks(?)", DejaNews the Internet search engine, the fermi paradox
Death notices: Paul Edwin Zimmer, SFF author. G. Harry Stine aka Lee Correy, SFF author and model rocketry industry wunderkin.
SFL requests/discussion topics:
>Re: How much Lem is Lem
>Re: How racist was Lovecraft
>Re: Ringworld Engineers, a daft question
>Re: What ever happened to Mack Reynolds
>Re: RGB Mars trilogy (Kim Stanley Robinson)
>Re: Samuel Delany
>Re: A few thoughts on Ursula LeGuin
>Re: E.E. Smith Lensman - Where to start?
>Re: Has Sliders had TOO MANY chances?
>Re: Handmaid's Tale SciFi?
>Re: A.S. Byatt? What to read?
>Re: Game of Thrones Praises/Gripes
>Re: Stargate SG-1
>Re: Alien Nation question
>Re: Robert Asprin "Myth" series
>Re: David Brin any good?
>Re: Card Problems (Orson Scott Card)
>Re: Storm Constantine
>Re: One-Note Eddings
>Re: Heinlein's CAT WHO WALKED sucks
>Re: Excession a disappointment
>Re: Andrew J. Offutt
>Re: Darkover for beginners
>Re: Rogue Moon (Algis Budrys)
>Re: Is Charles DeLint any good
>Re: Mageworld series
>Re: Clifford Simak
>Re: John Updike? SF?
>Re: Xena and her dad
>Re: Things I learned from Team Knight Rider
>Re: Any STEN fans?
>Re: War against the Chtorr
>Re: Terry Goodkind
>Re: Sterling: Leggy Starlitz
>Re: George Zebrowski?
>Re: Vance - The Dying Earth
>Re: Arthur C Clarke RETIRE!
>Re: Dickson's Childe Cycle reading order
>Re: Style change in LeGuin's fiction
-A SFLer refuses to believe that HP Lovecraft's stories had lots of racism in them, doubling down by saying they've only read the German? translations of Lovecraft when other SFLers go "oh hell yes HP Lovecraft's stories were racist top to bottom".
-SFLer's new to Robert Anson Heinleins work ask what the differences are between the posthumous unabridged version of STRANGER IN A STRANGE LAND and the original published version
-John Dos Passos using the "sidebar" literary technique decades before John Brunner & Fredrick Pohl (and Stephen King) utilizied that technique in their stories comes up for the 5th or 8th time since the SFL Archives has existed.
(2021 note: This 5th or 8th reminder that John Dos Passos originated the "sidebar" literary technique finally made set aside the time to read Dos Passos U.S.A. trilogy. That time and effort was not wasted, despite their 70+ year age the U.S.A. trilogy holds up well.)
-The 2nd book in Philip Pullman's Golden Compass series, The Subtle Knife, comes out, and peoples minds start breaking when they discuss the Golden Compass books. Certain SFLer's absolutely cannot handle the mix of technology and sci-fi AND Narnia elements in the Golden Compass books.
-SFLer's note how many modern authors rip off the plot and characters in Rudyard Kiplings CAPTAIN COURAGEOUS story in their adventure and mil-fiction stories.
(2021 note: CAPTAIN COURAGEOUS is a deep cut. Not sure how many people in 2000 - 2021 have read CAPTAIN COURAGEOUS on their own without being forced to read it via a college English literature course.)
-SFLer's start discussing Samuel Delany, and his most controversial published work like HOGG. The same SFLer's who really liked the torture-porn scenes in Terry Goodkind's work really really really like HOGG.
-Claudia Christian's take on why she will not be appearing in season 5 of Babylon 5 gets reposted to the SFL Archives/how Claudia Christian found out she was fired from Babylon 5 season 5 after spending a weekend promoting season 5 of Babylon 5 in London alongside a bunch of other Babylon 5 actors and show producers.
(2021 note: The B5 producers do not come off good, especially JMS's lumping all the blame onto Babylon 5 producer John Copeland for roughly the 600th time.)
-Avid hate-watchers of the tv-series SLIDERS come out in droves when the question "Has Sliders had TOO MANY chances?" comes up in the SFL Archives. Gharlane of Eddore manages to solidify his status as a proto-incel while talking about the all the wrongs things SLIDERS does/why SLIDERS is a abomination.
-Virtually every Star Trek fan in the SFL Archives turns on Majel Barrett Roddenberry when she heavily invokes Gene Roddenberry's name and legacy when promoting the upcoming in Fall 1997 tv-series EARTH FINAL CONFLICT. Even the SFLer who wrote 9000 words defending Majel-Barrett Roddenberry back in SFL Archives Vol 22a does a complete 180 twist andturns against her.
(2021 note: The underlying tone of all the anti Majel-Barrett Roddenberry posts is "how fucking DARE she" promote a non Star Trek tv-series and use the name of her husband/use her husband's notes & failed previous tv-pilot attempts while DS9 & Voyager are still being produced by Paramount.)
-ROAR the short lived 1997 fantasy tv-series starring Heath Ledger comes out on the FOX network and nearly everyone who posts about ROAR spends tons of effort ripping it apart for not adhering to history/technical inaccuracies/not living up to SCA fight standards. Gharlane of Eddore again goes that extra step in new tv show haterdom/incel-dom.
-A SFLer review of HONEY WE SHRUNK OURSELVES makes special note of young actress Alison Mack showing particular promise and how the camera loves her little smiles.
(2021 note: Retroactively funny and creepy given Alison Mack's recent court trail and conviction for co-running the NXIVM sex-slave cult.)
-The first mention of a James Cameron movie project called AVATAR slated for a 1999 release date.
-Almost every SFLer posts a review of the movie GATTACA, however every single SFLer in existence later in SFL Archives Vol 22b will post a review and critique of the 1997 movie STARSHIP TROOPERS and how it does live up to the vision and scope of Robert Heinlein's novel the movie was adapted from.
(2021 note: Roughly 12% of SFL Archives Vol 22b is devoted to STARSHIP TROOPERS 1997 reviews and critiques)
-Glen Cooks Black Company series gets discussed when SHE IS THE DARKNESS is released. One SFLer jokingly manages to predict Sleepy becoming the next chronicler of the Black Company.
-Harlan Ellison making a funny in retrospect comment in one of his Dangerous Vision collections about how "..if Kate Wilhem is the woman's voice for this genration of speculative fictoon, James Tiptree Jr. is the man's voice."
-SFLers start commenting how one-note David Eddings is, as in every book or story written by Eddings is a thinly revised version of the story he's written 15+ times now.
-Something about Arthur C Clarke hoarding his copy of J. Bernal's THE WORLD THE FLESH AND THE DEVIL and refusing to loan it out to other authors due to it's rarity.
-SFLer's start commenting on Jeri Ryan being a improvement to STAR TREK VOYAGER. SFLer's will later rave about the Voyager 'Year of Hell' and hope that it isn't rolled back like every other Voyager episode involving damage to the ship or a Voyager shuttlecraft being destroyed is.
-SFLer's note there is rumors and speculation floating around the Internet concerning Peter Jackson's LORD OF THE RINGS movie adaptation.
(2021 note: Mostly of historical note showing that Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings movie trilogy had been in movie development hell for years.)
-One of the first standalone mentions of actor Karl Urban in the SFL Archives
-Michael Moorcock saying that for adventure books, it shouldn't take any longer to write than to read them.
-Paul T. Riddell posts a huffy "I'm retiring from writing SF fiction" open letter to the Internet blaming burnout from toxi fans and people not caring about his in-depth SF genre criticism reviews in SF genre periodicals, and absolutely no from the SFL Archives cares enough about Paul T. Riddell to respond.
-SCI-WIRE breaks the news that Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson have signed a contract to write DUNE series prequels and sequels
-SFLer's discuss how awful and out of tone Harlan Ellison's screenplay of I ROBOT was to Isaac Asimov's existing Robot stories.
-EARTH FINAL CONFLICT airs and everyone who isn't a Star Trek fan comments on how suprisely decent it is, and look forward to new episodes.
(2021 note: Absolutely none of the die-hard Star Trek fan that earlier in SFL Archives Vol 22b verbally ripped Majel-Barrett Roddenberry apart for the audacity of producing a non-Star Trek tv-series ever comments on EARTH FINAL CONFLICT like they do on SLIDERS and ROAR and STARGATE SG-1, etc...)
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