Showing posts with label Babylon 5. Show all posts
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Sunday, April 18, 2021

SFL Archives Vol 19b readthrough 01

 SFL Archives 19b

7.8mb raw text file

100% completion, 240 bookmarks

Movies, television shows referenced: THE SHADOW (movie), WAR AMERICAN STYLE, PLANET OF THE VAMPIRES, TIMECOP, ADDAMS FAMILY VALUES, STARGATE (movie), STANLEY KUBRICK'S AI, ILL MET BY MOONLIGHT, ROBERT ANSON HEINLEINS THE PUPPET MASTERS (movie), SOLARIS 1972 (movie), JURASSIC PARK 2, THE HIDDEN 2, INTERVIEW WITH A VAMPIRE (movie), SPECIES 1, ROGER CORMANS FANTASTIC FOUR, ED WOOD, WATERWORLD, JURASSIC PARK 1, ELM STREET 7: A NEW NIGHTMARE, NEAR DARK, VAMPIRE CIRCUS, WITHOUT WARNING, PHANTOM 2040, MARY SHELLYS FRANKENSTEIN, EARTH 2, ALIEN NATION (tv series), M.A.N.T.I.S. (tv-series), SEAQUEST DSV, X-FILES (tv-series), GARGOYLES, SPACE PRECINCT, DARKROOM (tv-series),TIME TRAX, THE INVADERS (tv-series), MIGHTY MORPHIN POWER RANGERS, RED DWARF, THE TOWER OF INVERNESS (radio), LOIS AND CLARK, LOST IN SPACE (tv-series), STAR TREK GENERATIONS, SLIDERS (tv-series), BIONIC EVER AFTER?, THE THING (cartoon), CARL SAGANS CONTACT, THE GREEN SLIME, TEKWAR (tv-series), RUBY: THE ADVENTURES OF A GALACTIC GUMSHOE (radio), JOHNNY MNEMONIC.

SF&F stories referenced: RIFTWAR series, MISTWALKER, DEERSKIN, THE FIRES OF PARATIME, SERPENTS EGG, IRON DRAGONS DAUGHTER, HOMECOMING, A PLAGUE OF ANGELS, A COLLEGE OF MAGICS, 300 YEARS LATER, THE VOYAGE, THE GATE TO WOMENS COUNTRY, CADBURY THE BEAVER WHO LACKED, CHINA MOUNTAIN ZHANG, THE DRACULA TAPES, MALLWORLD, AURIAN, A NEOFANS GUIDE TO CONFUSION (non-fiction?), THE JAGUAR PRINCESS, TERMINAL COMPROMISE, SILICON MAN, BORRIBLES: ACROSS A DARK METROPOLIS, THE FERMATA, GLORY SEASON, A PRINCE AMONG MEN, WARPATH, CITY OF THE IRON FISH, PRINCE OMBRA, UNDER THE MOONS OF MARS, REVENGE OF THE ROSE, ONLY FORWARD, HEAVY WEATHER, GROWING UP WEIGHTLESS, REPLAY, WAY OF THE CLANS, FIELD OF DISHONOR, GODS OF THE WELL WORLD, THE MOUSER GOES BELOW, INVERTED WORLD, WORLDWAR: IN THE BALANCE, LOVE AND SLEEP, TROUBLE AND HER FRIENDS, PARIS IN THE TWENTIETH CENTURY, THE WELL FAVORED MAN, THE BROKEN GOD, THE SHATTERED SPHERE, FALLEN ANGELS, DOWN IN FLAMES, DIAMOND AGE, USE OF WEAPONS, TAM LIN, THE WATERWORKS, FLYING TO VALHALLA, THE TOJO VIRUS, INTERSTELLAR PIG, MAGEWORLD series, GREENTHIEVES, NOT FOR ALL THE GOLD IN IRELAND, THE HANDS OF LYR, GRAVITYS RAINBOW, DANNY DUNN series, MARTIAN TIME SLIP, LONG SHOT FOR ROSINANTE, BROTHER TO DRAGONS COMPANION TO OWLS, MINERVA WAKES, MOTHER OF STORMS, BEGGARS AND CHOOSERS, CHILD OF AN ANCIENT CITY, RED PROPHET, WHAT IF? 1. 

Pop culture references: TEKMUMEL RPG, TRAVELLER RPG, PARANOIA RPG, GURPS UPLIFT, MAGIC: THE GATHERING card game, Geraldo breaking into Al Capone's vault, River Phoenix being cast in BROKEN DREAMS (in-development movie) before overdosing, doing CD-ROM movie projects, Dave Thomas of the WENDY'S food chain appearing in BIONIC EVER AFTER?.

Technology callbacks: a True Type font-set used to print artist Real Musgrave's runes on computers, the CERN WWW Virtual Library Subject Index, the Jack Vance World Wide Web Archive, "nootropics and a file of brain-stimulating VR", files being available in ASCII LaTEX and PostScript versions, extended ellipses breaking Macintosh word-processing software, the 2nd Conference On Computers Freedom And Privacy, owning a notebook computer with a pen interface and 250mb of disk, radio shows using the Neumann Ku81 Kunstkopf "dummy head" to produce binaural audio, the JPL and High Altitude Observatory reporting that when the Pioneer probe broke the speed of sound it registered the bow-shock of a sonic boom "while in space", "BOO programs" which were utilities for converting binary files into a format that was only printable characters, the SMOFBase Project, "sail" the multiplayer sailing game that used to come with BSD systems.

1994 Death notices: Robert Lansing, TV and movie actor. Robert Bloch, SFF & Horror author.


SFL requests/discussion topics:

>Crossover Fantasies & Multi-volume books

>the golden art of creating a conspiracy/hundred+ year plots to dominate humankind stories

>Wide World Web SF/F/Horror Links

>Significant inventions predicted in SF

>Dated Science Fiction

>Science Fiction with Specific Dates

>SF for Children

>Is Kurt Vonnegut considered SF?

>Libertarian SF

>Russian SF is the best!

>First SF Heroine of Color


-SFL Archives Vol 19b starts off with a mea culpa about extended SF-LOVERS mailing list downtime. Server hardware failures, mailing list problems, 8k backlog of email messages to go through, etc.

-Extreme amounts of BABYLON 5 content. JMS started posting to the SFL Archives heavily in SFL Archives Vol 19b, so there was a overwhelming amount of Babylon 5 content in Vol 19b, even after drastic pruning out of redundant messages by the SF-LOVERS mailing list moderator. So extreme, the mailing list moderator was getting 5000 emails a week about BABYLON 5, which is insane numbers considering how limited access the Internet was/the small amount of Internet users in 1994. Each new episode of Babylon 5 airing on TV resulted in 4-5 enormous dedicated Babylon 5 SFL Digests as SFLers live-posted their reactions and theories. 

JMS posting directly to the SFL Archives & GEnie online service in 1994 was good and bad from a historic viewpoint. JMS was extremely online even by 2021 standards, and JMS got very involved in responding/posting/debunking/bragging about Babylon 5 in the SFL Archives.

(2021 note: The amount of BABYLON 5 content in 1994 Volumes 19a & 19b burned me out on BABYLON 5 fandom. I started skipping & heavily skimming B5 SFL Digests around September 1994 the same way I skim & skip reading X-Files, SeaQuest DSV, or Earth 2 dedicated SFL Digests.) 

-The internet troll obsessed with hating on Raymond Feist's RIFTWAR series ripping off the Tekumel RPG returns to the SFL Archives. No mentions of their having a 300+ bullet point comparison list of "similarities" between Tekumel RPG & the much later Riftwar books this time though.

-Discussion of the deepness & multi-layered-ness of Samuel R Delany's writing happens sporadically throughout Vol 19b. Delany's tenure as a college professor comes up a few times,as well as a few anecdotes from Delany interviews/personal appearances at events worldwide.

-High level summary of the Hugo WSFS 1994 Business meeting: A bunch of new proposed amendment changes for future Hugo Award categories & nominations: example, should the Hugo's acknowledge the differences between electronic SFF fanzines vs physical SFF fanzines?

-READERCON convention going on hiatus due to organizer burnout, drama and vandalism problems at MINICON 1994. Most 1994 convention drama hinges on the subject of convention "party rooms" and whether or not those "party rooms" should be dry/serve alcohol or allow smoking or card people for admittance. Anti-ghost reservation policies being implemented by hotels. "The Adam's Mark Hotel will not permit any guest to cook in their room." A smaller part of 1994 convention discussion is about Accessible services for disabled patrons, and how most hotel-convention venues fail to implement even the most basic measures for disabled patron access.

(2021 note: From a 2021 perspective, most of these arguments and emotional rebuttals are extremely "WTF -stares intently." tldr: Basic things that would never fly in the modern era of social media kept flying with malicious intent in SFF conventions & events of the 1930s - 1990s.)  

-TSR's brilliant business plan that would lead to bankruptcy within 6 yrs starts delivering dividends: SFLer's start off-handedly mentioning encountering piles of TSR Dragonlance books every time they visit bookstores.

-"Most of the incidents involve far more blood-letting than the law of averages would require, but I suppose that's why carnophiles read carnography" -from a review of David Drake's 1994 novel THE VOYAGE.

-The KIRK POLAND BAD PROSE COMPETITION at READERCON conventions. Essentially EYE OF ARGON readthroughs 2.0 with the same mean-toned malicious established authors "punching down" intent.

-Daniel Keys Moran discussion: The Last Dancer, The Long Run, why hasn't Bantam Books re-published any of DKM's work. Near the end of 1994, DKM posts a 1994 status update to the internet, and it is notable mostly for things that failed to happen/things that DKM failed to write/DKM being in absolute denial about Bantam Book's total done-ness with him.

-The weirdness of Philip K Dick stories. If a ending in a PKD story has a coherent ending, you can tell it wasn't written by PKD. CADBURY THE BEAVER WHO LACKED gets brought up. 

-CHUNG KUO series fixation on fake/historical/futuristic/imaginary Chinese culture, and extreme torture-muderporn elements. Anyone who is a Chung Kuo series fan invariably defends the extreme torture-murderporn elements in it as being a core storytelling piece of the setting.

-TRAVELLER RPG plot device of humans on many worlds referenced in relation to Iain Banks Culture series. TRAVELLER RPG also mentioned during discussion of Cherryh's CHANUR series (the TRAVELLER Aslan race being eeriely similar to the Cherryh's hani race.)

-One of Tanith Lee's stories undoing a beheading by talking to a magic sword and convincing it that it had never killed anybody.

-"Did Herbert write any notes for a new Dune book before he died? If so, I would have thought that one of his children (Brian, maybe) would have tried to publish the material by now."

(2021 note: Extreme laughter.)

-A brief appearance of Battletech novel pre-Clan invasion meta-plot discussion.

-Periodic discussion of L Ron Hubbard and his SFF work & his legacy throughout Vol 19b. It was very rare for more than one to four L Ron Hubbard related messages to appear in a month.    

-S.P. Somtow's 1981 short story collection MALLWORLD having references to a space station described as the most fashion and trend oriented spot in the Solar System. That space station: BABYLON 5.

(2021 note: JMS, creator of the BABYLON 5 tv-series, had a "WTF?" response to this message).

-SF author Ken MacLeod appears for the first time in the SFL Archives to post Iain Banks explaining his Culture setting for people unfamiliar with the Culture setting or who wanted technical details behind the Culture settings.

(2021 note: These notes can be found in full at http://www.vavatch.co.uk/books/banks/cultnote.htm )

-More discussions of SFF professional authors vs fandom interaction, SFF professional authors vs newbie authors, SFF professionals being utter assholes or amazing people depending on when/where/how you interacted with them.

-Artificial womb technology in SFF discussion which started off heavily in Bujold SFF territory peaks with Jo Walton deciding to post her views on pregnancy.

-Mike Resnick starts posting to SFL Archives, and from a 2021 perspective, Resnick's posts to the SFL Archives are mostly humble-bragging about being a editor-author and the strict guidelines he follows (laughs). Katherine Kerr, Jo Walton, Vonda McIntyre, and Peter David also periodically post to the SFL Archives but are way more tolerable. Lev Grossman, author of the Magicians book series also appears to have started posting to the SFL Archives.

-STARGATE 1994 movie discussion, from marketing of the movie to release. Most SFLer's liked the look & gobs of money obviously spent on the production, but hated the actual movie and wanted 100% accurate answers as to how all the technology in the movie worked asap.

(2021 note: The SFL Archives reaction to STARGATE 1994 was one of the things I have been waiting for. Their reactions are funny in retrospect, since everything they wanted answered and more got answered by over 147 hrs of tv-content just counting Stargate SG-1.)

-Periodic discussion of the DEATH GATE CYCLE book series, periodic discussion of David Eddings stories, periodic discussions of Stephen Donaldson, periodic discussions of Brust's Taltos series, periodic discussion of Cherryh stories, and Bujold and Tad Williams, and Neal Stephenson, and Orson Scott Card, and etc, etc.

-Stenn Sigurdsson returns to post another forwarded statement from David Brin to the SF-LOVERS mailing list. This time David Brin talks about his latest novel GLORY SEASON and teases more Uplift series fiction.

(2021 note: I have only noticed Stenn Sigurdsson appearing in the SFL Archives to post forwarded David Brin messages, which is why I referred to Stenn Sigurdsson as a "friendly David Brin sock puppet account" in my past SFL Archives readthrough posts.)

-Robert Anson Heinlein discussion part 43439: Heinlein's legacy, Heinlein's influence, Heinlein writing his wife Virginia into 95% of his later stories, the differences between the RAH Puppet Masters 1994 movie vs the published book versions, etc. Even the most ardent Heinlein Defense Squad poster vehement about defending Heinlein's writing never brings up I WILL FEAR NO EVIL, and IWFNE never gets mentioned in recommended Heinlein reading lists. 

-White Wolf Publishing now owning the rights to Michael Moorcock omnibus reprints.

-PARIS IN THE TWENTIETH CENTURY, Jules Verne's "lost novel" is finally published. SFLers read it, try to tear apart the predictions Verne made, but mostly wonder if the novel is fake similar to Clifford Irving's fake autobiography of Howard Hughes.

-Sime/Gen callbacks. Interdependency of the two mutated races, the math being way way off if the parastic race doesn't immediately kill off the victim race, etc.

-More David Weber & Honor Harrington series chat. There is a few dedicated SFL Digests exclusively about Honor Harrington near the very end of December 1994.

-More feedback over FALLEN ANGELS, the terrible in every way SF book about how SFF fandom saves the day in a terrible future world where liberals have taken over the world and dumpstered funding of all hard-sciences to instead fight global warming & racism through prayer and telethons. 

-A brief resurgence of Larry Niven KNOWN SPACE chat, mostly focused on the Kzin and the various what-if elements brought up by other authors and Niven's abandoned DOWN IN FLAMES. 

-Discussion of the JURASSIC PARK movie and the various bloopers that made it into the final theatrical cut. Plus SFLers debate which scenes were CGI or physical dinosaur models

-Iain Banks story discussion. Recaps of earlier Banks interviews, heavy discussion of who was who in USE OF WEAPONS, comparisons of Banks non-SF stories, various discussion of Banks Culture stories along with that previously mentioned A FEW NOTES ON THE CULTURE link provided by Ken MacLeod.  

-ROBERT ANSON HEINLEINS THE PUPPET MASTERS comes out and 99.999% of the SFLers who saw it loved it. Only issues they had was that the female lead in it was NOT a Heinlein-ian busty redhead, and that there was not enough nudity in the movie, even though it was a perfect opportunity. Lack of nudity in RAH's PUPPET MASTERS was a subject brought up repeatedly and mentioned more than actual discussion of the movies plot or the twist of exactly when the older scientist character got puppet mastered in the film. 

-The weird background of A.E. Van Vogt including a brief stint of Van Vogt promoting NULL-A, the other-other non-religion religion founded by SFF writers of the 1930s-1950s?

-WITHOUT WARNING, a end-of-the-world tv-movie aired without promotion that invoked WAR OF THE WORLD vibes from people. SFLers tear apart the inaccuracies in it while liking the concept and wishing more types of that series happened.

-THE TOJO VIRUS rivalling Winn Schwartau TERMINAL COMPROMISE in datedness (by 1994 terms) in computer technology, and racism, and Japanophobia. 

(2021 note: Schwartau's TERMINAL COMPROMISE was extremely terrible on all levels. If even 1994 SFLers called it dated and bad, you know THE TOJO VIRUS is something truly terrible.)

-EARTH 2 premieres, and SFL reaction to it is mixed. The plot grabs some, others want hard technical details on everything, others hate/love certain actors, and a few wonder why Steven Spielberg choose Earth 2 versus other more worthy seeming SF tv series.  

-MIGHTY MORPHIN POWER RANGERS. Why certain characters got recast, why the white ranger appears solo, why the robots do things, how the 3 different Japanese series MMPR pulls from do things better or different.

-RED DWARF actor Craig Charles arrested in the UK. 

-STAR WARS chat returns thanks to George Lucas promoting the Star Wars Episodes 1 through 3 movies he is currently scripting out and doing pre-production work for. BANTHA TRACKS makes it's first reappearance in the SFL Archives since long ago in SFL Archives Vol 01.

-In another callback to SFL Archives Vol 01, Dr. Robert Forward the SF author starts getting discussed. And SFLer's find that their views on Robert Forwards work from way back in 1980 haven't held up, and that Forward is/was laughably terrible at writing people/narratives and only so-so on technology physics/hard science that he's written.

-STAR TREK GENERATIONS comes out and everyone rips it apart. The TOS inclusions seem half-baked, the TNG character work is half-assed and terrible, the plot makes no sense, the Enterprise saucer recovery destroys the no pre-warp contact rule, there should be two or three versions of Picard & Kirk showing up at the finale, and finally the plot makes no sense x30 is the consesus SFL Archives review of GENERATIONS

-SLIDERS the tv-series gets announced and many SFLers wonder if it's based on the similar sounding George RR Martin tv-pilot Portals.

-The SMOFBase Project, a proposed way for SFF fandom to share contact links & convention information via one internet website. The SMOFBase Project is totally not a purity test or way of measuring who has the most SFF fandom contacts. 

(2021 note: Yes, the SMOFBase Project totally sounded like purity test way of measuring who has the most SFF fandom contacts.)

-Winners list for the THE BALROG AWARD gets posted to the SFL Archives.

-Orson Scott Card making a tone-deaf dedication to his grandfather in his Alvin the Maker novel RED PROPHET.

(2021 note: Essentially OSC's great-grandfather illegally colonized the Kainai Nation reservation lands while the Kainai Nation was suffering from a smallpox epidemic that OSC's great-grandfather probably kicked off on them.)  

Wednesday, March 17, 2021

SFL Archives Vol19a readthrough update 01

 SFL Archives Volume 19a 

486 SFL Digests in a 8.6 mb raw text dump.

100% completion, 209 bookmarks

Movies, television shows referenced: SEAQUEST DSV, VIPER (TV), SPLIT SECOND, GHOST IN THE MACHINE (anime), BATMAN: MASK OF THE PHANTASM, INFRAMAN aka SUPER INFRAMAN, FORBIDDEN PLANET, WAXWORK 2: LOST IN TIME, MIGHTY MORPHIN POWER RANGERS, FOREVER KNIGHT (TV),ALIEN NATION (TV), ROBOCOP (TV), DARKROOM (TV), M.A.N.T.I.S. (TV), TEKWAR (TV), ALF (TV), THE CRYPT (TV), KNIGHT RIDER 2010 (TV), BODY SNATCHERS (1993), HIGHLANDER (TV), ISIS (TV), X-FILES (TV), AMAZING STORIES (TV), ISLAND CITY (TV), MODEL BY DAY (TV), ARMY OF DARKNESS, DARKMAN, AI, CODE RED (TV), THUNDER IN PARADISE (TV), ADVENTURES OF HERCULES (TV), LIQUID TELEVISION (TV), EARTH 2 (TV), THE STAND (TV), BATMAN FOREVER, DOOMWATCH (TV), STAR TREK: TNG, THE PHOENIX (TV), MY LIVING DOLL (TV).

SF&F stories referenced: DRAGONDOOM, WOMEN ON THE EDGE OF TIME, SEEKERS MASK,STAR TREK MEMORIES, IN THE NET OF DREAMS, DARK MIRROR, TIME WARS, LIFE ON THE BORDER, THE VIRTUAL BOSS, ELSEWHERE, NEVERNEVER, TERMINAL COMPROMISE, QUARANTINE, RATS AND GARGOYLES, FREE CONTINUATION OF THE LORD OF THE RINGS, 300 YEARS LATER, TEKWAR, OUT OF THIS WORLD, A DIAMOND MASK, HOT SKY AT MIDNIGHT, CARVE THE SKY, CHIMERA, SMALL GODS, THE SHEEP LOOK UP,ILLUSION, EUROTEMPS, INTO THE GREEN, MADNESS SEASON, BLACK SUN RISING, WHEN TRUE NIGHT FALLS, GLOBALHEAD, LITTLE BIG, ENGINE SUMMER, CANOPUS IN ARGOS, HERE COMES THE SUN, JUMPER, ASSEMBLERS OF INFINITY, A JUDGEMENT OF DRAGONS, THE BOOK OF THE PEOPLE, THE LAST DANCER, THE SHORT VICTORIOUS WAR, MANHATTAN TRANSFER, CURSE OF THE MISTWRAITH, LIGHTWING, CRASHLANDER, FLARE, FOSSIL HUNTER, TALISMANS OF SHANNARA, GUILTY PLEASURES, KALIFORNIA, DEMON KNIGHT, HARD TO BE A GOD, ROADSIDE PICNIC, JEDI SEARCH, HOLLOW MAN, GOOD NEWS FROM OUTER SPACE, INTERFACE, CONSIDER PHLEBAS, HABITABLE PLANETS FOR MAN, THE PLANET STRAPPERS, STARWOLF, SIDESHOW, BIMBOS OF THE DEATH SUN, FACE IN THE SNOW, UNDERSTANDING COMICS.  

Pop culture references: Steve Urkel, Beverly Hills 90210, Dragonlance: 2nd generation, Dragon Magazine, alt.alien.visitors, Erica Ehm the MuchMusic VJ, Kurt Loder & MTV News, Are you Being Served? (TV), Lightwave 3D rendering, Global Positioning System (GPS) as a new technology due to revolutionize travel, Betrayal at Krondor (pc game), Femme Fatales magazine, Essex House the upsale eroticia fiction publisher, SAIFAI, X-COM: UFO Defense (1994 pc game), WWW internet pages being something new and cool.

1994 Death notices: Robert Shea (SF&F author). Jack Kirby (iconic comics industry artist/writer). Raymond Z. Gallun (SF&F writer). Frank Belknap Long Jr (SF&F author).


Kicking off things for 1994, the SFL Lovers Mailing list acquires a copyright notice. This will be referenced later on when the SF-LOVERS mailing list moderator explains that they have been censoring lots of messages sent into the SF-LOVERS mailing list, and have taken it upon themselves to exclude things with copyright notices like the Del Rey Internet Newsletter.

(2021 note: That truly sucked. The Del Rey Internet Newsletter was legitimately interesting, and it's exclusion makes the SFL Archives a extremely tedious read).

-Early 1990's Macintosh computers having issues with heavy usage of elipse tagging (P.C. Hodgell's Seeker's Mask)

-SEAQUEST DSV series discussion ranging from the budget, CGI effects, the mechanicized dolphin-puppet, plots, plotholes, etc. 

-A firesale offer on custom ConFrancisco 1993 SF-LOVERS t-shirt merchandise featuring artwork by Hugo-nominated artist Bob Eggleton.

-VIPER (tv-series) featuring another instance of Hollywood casting hiring non-disabled people for disabled on-camera roles

-Cordwainer Smith aka Paul Linebarger being involved in writing the Korean War armistice and Korean War defection propaganda. 

(2021 note: adding this to the list of things to lookup & fact-check)

-Iain Banks supposedlyclaiming that there is one sentence in AGAINST A DARK BACKGROUND that proves it is set in the 'Culture' universe.

Plus there is supposedly one or two throwaway references to LAZY GUNS in either CP, PoG, or UoW?

-THE LAST DEADLOSS VISIONS by Christopher Priest is posted to the Internet. Deadloss Visions is a rebuttal slash deep dive into the many claims and multiple failed release dates Harlan Ellison has made about Last Dangerous Visions.

-George RR Martin sells a 3 book fantasy trilogy A SONG OF FIRE AND ICE to Bantam: A Game of Thrones, A Dance with Dragons, The Winds of Winter. First book is due out around early 1996.

-Deconstructing MIGHTY MORPHIN POWER RANGERS, includes most commonly used words, and episode beats.

-Joe Straczynki starts posting directly to the SF-LOVERS mailing list. JMS gives lots of Babylon 5 series feedback, and very emotional lashing out when fans predict things too early, or call things low-budget, or make direct comparisons 1:1 to STAR TREK episodes. Callbacks to JMS's earlier tv work is mentioned. By the end of June 1994 JMS is in peak 'terminally online' mod and shows little signs of chilling out.

(2021 note: JMS: on the Michael O'Hare re-casting notice comes out around mid May 1994)

-A few other people involved in producing Babylon 5 start posting to the SF-LOVERS mailing list, mostly about alien race makeup in B5/makeup artist stuff.

-Lots of eye-rolling SFLer posts about Harlan Ellison being extremely full of himself. With a bonus example of how to quickly identify good tv-script dialogues in 20 seconds or less.

-The Northridge CA 1994 earthquake via the lense of the SFL Archives is first mentioned in a SCI-FI channel tour of Harlan Ellison's house, then as a contributing cause to the various stressfull things JMS encountered while season 1 of Babylon 5 was being produced. Then finally as a item of interest in internet SF&F newsletter ANSIBLE 79.

-Throw-away reference to the US 1st Nations Navajo CODETALKER role in World War 2.

(2021 note: This is one of the more interesting things about World War 2. Security through Obscurity, Security through slang.) 

-TERMINAL COMPROMISE, the 1991 computer terrorism quasi cyberpunk novel comes up for discussion. TERMINAL COMPROMISE an objectively terrible book, full of dated racisms, author-insert good-guys, and galactic class stupidity start to finish. However Terminal Compromise DID manage to predict a global grounding Boeing 737 jet-airplanes.

-FREE CONTINUATION OF THE LORD OF THE RINGS by Nick Perumov and another follow-up 300 YEARS LATER.

-Tad Williams discussion. Memory Sorrow Thorn, along with other stories. Something about one particularly long book (1600 pages) being broken up into multiple paperback versions.

-Extended discussion of Stephen Donaldson's Thomas Covenant and The Gap series. Similarly lots of discussion of Bujold's Miles Vorkoisgan series, with the same arguements used to defend the rape, assault and universe-bending to make the main characters always right/justified in every action they perform in each series.

-Dan O'Bannion's trend of ripping off AE Van Vogt without credit for O'Bannion's most well known movie scripts. 

-Julian May's DIAMOND MASK comes out, and SFLers notice an immediate drop in story quality, characterization, plot, etc. SFLer's note how the titular character of the novel is more of a supporting character than main character of their own book.

-DR BILL'S SPACE COMPANY, which may or may not exist outside of an early 1994 april fools joke. 

-The pornographic sex rape murder elements in the Chung Kuo books supposedly being toned down in the sequels.

-More HIGHLANDER the TV-series discussion. Various new-old immortal enemies, Duncan's love interests, swords appearing from nowhere for duels, Watchers, Hunters, what happened to disposing of decapitated immortal bodies, Richie as an immortal, Duncan's backstory, killing on holy ground, special effects during Quickening scenes, etc. 

-Discussion of the now long forgotten ISIS tv-show starring Joanna Cameron who low-key starred in late 1960's - early 1970's softcore porn, featuring a team-up with the 1970's SHAZAM! tv-series.

-More Sim/Gen story discussion. This series remains weird and peak LARP material.

-ISLAND CITY, Kevin Conroy's most well-known live-acting role...discounting Conroy's voice-acting work for BATMAN: THE ANIMATED TV SERIES.

-Honor Harrington book 3 THE SHORT VICTORIOUS WAR comes out, and 1994 mil-scifi fans enjoy it while noting the many many flaws and tropes David Weber is cramming into every Honor Harrington story.

-The prolific writing career of Lionel Fanthorpe, who is now mostly forgotten to modern day SF&F fans.

-Various pre-Disney owned Marvel Comics movie discussion. tldr summary: they all sucked and were extremely low budget films.

-First mention of Devito/Schwarzenegger comedy teamup film TWINS.

-Robert Anson Heinlein's deeply buried embarrassing 1930's political activity: advocating for Upton Sinclair's "End Poverty in California" platform.

-The Michael Moorcock guide to writing a 60000 word fantasy novel -break it down into four 15000 word parts each of three chapters. An incident must happen every three pages to keep the reader engrossed.

-A Spider Robinson creepy sex and sexual assault defense squad appears, with one person outing themselves as part of a long running het triad.

-Arkady & Boris Strugatsky and Stanislaw Lem story discussion and comparison. Translated versions of their works discussion vs original language, what non-SovietBloc SF&F writers each author had access to when writing certain books, etc.

-The trend of "imaginary friend" Hologram characters in Scifi tv-series recently.

-The Heinlein Defense Squad appears to rehabilitate RAH's obsession on incest/eugenics, and IWFNE. The Heinlein Defense Squad has given up claiming Heinlein was able to write more than one character type for male or female characters. All good-guy male characters in Heinlein stories are RAH self-inserts, all female characters in Heinlein stories are Virginia Heinlein redheads.

-Kim Stanley Robinson discussion. Red Mars, Blue Mars, Hawaii Green party politics, etc.

-SF&F author Paul J. McAuley having a imposter trying to claim his published work.

-Harry Turtledove on writing. Historical accuracy and consistency do not apply in his work, whatever makes the story go forward is what Turtledove will write.

-Early discussion of George Lucas on what will be happening and appearing in the Star Wars prequel movies.

-An SFLer reposts an interview-response they had with Robert Jordan on his Wheel of Time series to the SFL Archives.

-DOCTOR WHO fans slowly start to realize that Jonathan Nathan-Turner was the root cause of 98% of the problems with the Doctor Who franchise. 

-A interview with Raymond Feist on his RIFTWAR series is reposted to the SFL Archives.

-The tv-adaptation of Stephen King's THE STAND miniseries comes out, and SFLers discuss it. Casting choices, plot holes, differences between book and miniseries, etc. 

-First mention of CFC's damaging the ozone layer in the SFL Archives. Mentioned as a side prediction of John Brunner in THE SHEEP LOOK UP.

-Sharyn McCrumb's BIMBOS OF THE DEATH SUN & ZOMBIES OF THE GENE POOL massively pissing off a bunch of SFLers, who seem themselves negatively portrayed in McCrumb's "mockumentaries of SF&F conventions" novels, while other more even-keeled SFLer's admit to seeing alot of truth in what McCrumb portrayed.

(2021 note: The extremely angry & hurt SFLers are so whiney about the contents of those two McCrumb books that reading them is now something I want to do in the near future.)

-The final episode of STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION airs and no-one really posts about.

(2021 note: Heavy discussion of STAR TREK related properties was my major concern going into this readthrough project, which never really happened.)

-Doubleday Books violating a March 1991 settlement agreement with Ron Montana over selling copies of DEATH IN THE SPIRIT HOUSE.

-A brief recap of Julie Newmar's acting career, featuring a deep dive into one of Newmar's earliest acting roles in MY LIVING DOLL.

Thursday, January 21, 2021

SFL Archives Volume 18a readthrough update 01

SFL Vol 18a 6.5mb raw text file 

100% completion, 173 bookmarks

-Movie & tv-series mentioned: STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE, SPACE RANGERS, SPACE COPS, TIME TRAXX, FOREVER KNIGHT, QUANTUM LEAP, GOLDEN YEARS, SEAQUEST DSV, ZARDOZ, JOHNNY QUEST (1990s cartoon), TEK WAR, TOMORROW PEOPLE (1990s reboot tv series), LOIS & CLARK, GET A LIFE, MATINEE. MOON 44, THE SURVIVORS, GROUNDHOG DAY, TREMORS, TREMORS 2, PIRANHA 2, CAPTAIN AMERICA 1990, ROCKY JONES, PRINCE OF DARKNESS, THE ABYSS SPECIAL EDITION, THE PUNISHER 1989, SUPER MARIO BROS 1993, JURASSIC PARK,

-Books & stories mentioned: THE GRIPPING HAND, SUNGLASSES AFTER DARK, INTERTEXT (newsletter), ISLANDS IN THE NET, DESTROYER novellas, TEK WAR, GLASS HAMMER, IT CAME FROM SCHENECTADY, THE FOREVER KING, A FIRE UPON THE DEEP, PEACE WAR, ON BASILISK STATION, THE GENERAL: THE ANVIL, TEN YEARS TO DOOMSDAY, MILLION OPEN DOORS, GRUNTS!, CHILDREN OF MEN, MODERAN, GURPS UPLIFT, CHINA MOUNTAIN ZHANG, FIRST ON MARS, INNER ECLIPSE, HEAVEN CHRONICLES, AGAINST A DARK BACKGROUND, GUILTY PLEASURES, SARAH CANARY, RHAND: MORNINGSTAR (rpg).

-Pop culture references: Crazy Eddy NYC commercials, Serbian-Balkan War, David Hasselholf: German music superstar, Sime/Gen RPGs, Doogie Howser MD, the launch of WIRED! magazine, Ed Nilges(?) being a infamous usenet poster, nanotechnology,

-Death notices: Keith Laumer, Ishiro Honda, Brandon Lee, Avram Davidson, Lester Del Rey, and Richard Webb.

-Unusual SFL Archives requests:

>Fan Societies/groups

>Canadian slave magic

>Science catches SF

>hyper-intelligent space beings

>homosexuality in SF

>Connecticut Yankee Syndrome

>Best time travel

>Humor in SF

>access to ST: TOS & TNG, Robotech and other novels for blind people

>SF authors of the Catholic faith

>Librarian and Libraries in SF and fantasy

>Early Fantasy (1900-1950)?


-Del Rey & TOR Books editors start posting in the SFL Archives. The Del Rey editors effort-post about various decisions/things that happen behind-the-scenes at Del Rey...meanwhile the TOR Books senior editors opt for "yes/no this book is/is not published by TOR" responses.

(2021 note: The Del Rey newsletters are really worth checking out if you want behind-the-scenes info on how book cover art is chosen, why certain authors get published/republished, the mechanics behind doing print runs and interviews with different SF&F series authors.)

-Discussion of now long forgotten tv-series TIME TRAXX, SPACE RANGERS, GOLDEN YEARS, etc.

-Editors from TOR Books & Del Rey books start posting in the SFL Archives. The TOR Books editors opt for snide 2 paragraph posts while the Del Rey editors effort-post.

-The BABYLON 5 pilot episode The Gathering is produced and released to mostly favorable SFL Archives reaction. CGI effects look good/bad, characterization is rough, dialogue is worse, but the costuming is ace plus.

(2021 note: All JMS comments on BABYLON 5 have been put into a dedicated post here https://nothing2seeherepleasedisperse.blogspot.com/2021/01/sfl-archives-1993-compiled-posts-from-j.html )

-Let the record state that bhoughto@xxxx.xxxx.xxx really knows his pornography.

2021 note: bhoughto's post heavily reminded me of:

-Writing letters directly to heads of TV Networks about un-cancelling tv-series becomes a big thing. QUANTUM LEAP, SPACE RANGERS, HIGHLANDER, FOREVER KNIGHT, etc. 

-The TEKUMEL RPG standing out from other fantasy RPG settings because it's not so boringly medieval Europe, re-hashed with orcs.

-PLANET OF THE APES movie franchise & book timeline discussion. SFLer's see at least 2 timelines for the movies, with alternate dimensions.

-STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE premieres, and most SFLer's have negative reactions to everything & everyone in it.

(2021 note: This is a typical reaction whenever a new Star Trek series comes out. THE NEXT GENERATION had the same thing happen, VOYAGER same thing, ENTERPRISE same thing, DISCOVERY same thing, LOWER DECKS, same thing.)

-Damon Knight writes an open-letter to the internet complaining about a mean career overview Algis Budrys wrote about Damon Knight.

(2021 note: Damon Knight loved to abuse his power as editor-author, and had hyper-thin skin. AKA Damon Knight could dish out criticism 24/7/365 but could not handle any criticism of himself.)

-Interview with Godzilla movie series soundtrack composer Akira Ifukube.

-ClariNet's The Hugo and Nebula Anthology 1993 CDROM which contained ebook versions of all nominated Hugo & Nebula award stories.

-Marion Zimmer Bradley, Mercedes Lackey, and Chelsea Quinn Yarbro react to unauthorized fan fiction set in their literary universes getting published in fanzines/GEnie/SF&F periodicals, destroying months of work when book publishers/magazines refuse to publish their versions of the same stories.

(2021 note: MZB's version of how things worked out is suspect as hell, even before the SFWA White Knight chimes in to give their own pro-MZB take on the matter.)

-Intense David Brin UPLIFT universe discussion ranging from uplift methods, debates about Herbie, inter-galactic Libraries, wolfling cultures, and why Earth managed to be wolflings in 7 galaxies full of Uplifted races Uplifting away.

-David Milner firmly establishes himself as the resident Godzilla movie franchise/Kaiju movie subject matter expert.

-P.J. Plauger being inescapable if you were both a Science-Fiction fan and a C programmer.

-QUANTUM LEAP airs the back-half of it's final season. Most people see a huge drop in show quality and self-contradiction of internal rules the show had previously set. Lots of debate as to whether NBC or Don B is to blame for the decline/switch in the show's focus for the final season.

-A Canadian SF&F convention called WOLFCON implodes in real time on the SFL Archives. Extremely angry management people ban each other plus another local convention (KingCon) completely, both sides air grievances, both sides backtrack with more grievances...and all of a sudden WOLFCON is on a 2yr hiatus (lawsuits pending on both sides?). 

-Someone starts posting biweekly lists of what movies are in pre-production/production from January 1993 to May 1993, then gives up. 

(2021 note: These lists are interesting/worth reading by a scifi film historian because so many movies that came out decades later are listed as being worked on/optioned.)

-Rabid Jerry Pournelle & Larry Niven defenders defend all things written by Pournelle & Niven, especially the dated racist/sexist/islamophobic/etc stuff.

-SFLer's begin to turn on Orson Scott Card, noting OSC's one note-storytelling method of "child main character gets tortured" and OSC's obsession with working Mormon lore into every new series/story.

-Extended Convention discussion on all fronts. How to manage art shows, staffing, weapons policies, hotel bids, the downsides of airing SF&F movies or tv-series, Secret masters of fandom, 

-6+ years later, the events of BOSKONE 24 & how the NEFSA handled BOSKONE 25 are still bringing up anger. Things are not helped by everyone involved in managing BOSKONE 25 tripling down on defensive posting.

(2021 note: I came into this readthrough attempt non-committal on SF&F conventions and how they were run. 22 SFL Archives Volumes later, I utterly loathe everyone associated with the 1980s-1990s version of NEFSA, the management committee behind BOSKONE conventions for being ultra-beyond terrible hyper-toxic.)

-During discussion of draconian security at certain conventions, one SFLer(Gharlan of Eddore) describes the modular cosplay Wizards Stave they like to bring to conventions

One of my favorite costume props is my "talking stave."  It's a carved, 

bejewelled, battery-powered six-foot wizard's staff with L.E.D.'s that 

flash in controlled patterns, several dedicated microprocessor chips,

a voice synthesizer, a couple of music synth chips, and two megs of RAM

that hold whatever music I've downloaded from the totable cpu I keep in

the hotel room.  (AND is 2.5" max diameter, thinner most places.)

Even though the tube is custom-machined aircraft aluminum (under all the 

anodization and wood-strip overlay) it weighs about twenty-thirty pounds.

(Depends on whether I have the Big Battery Pack or the Little Battery Pack

in it, and whether I have the tuned-port speaker modules mounted on the 

ends... it's a modularly configurable wizard's stave, you see.)

 And yet, the last time I tried to carry it through the halls at Boskone, I

got jumped by "security" because they were afraid I was going to "hit

someone" with a prop I'd been working on, off and on, for several years.

Riiiiiiiiight


-DOORWAYS, a tv-series pilot written by George RR Martin about a group of people dimension-travelling sounds like the inspiration behind a later scifi tv-series called SLIDERS

-The Exclusion Act at the first WorldCon in NYC (1939?) featuring Sam Moskowitz & Donald Wollheim. 

-Why in 1953, did Forry Ackerman, the first SciFi fan to receive a Hugo Award, immediately give his Hugo Award to Ken Slater?

(2021 note: Nobody answered this query. Mildly curious at the answer.)

-SFL April Fools 1993: A special SF-LOVERS Digest devoted to April Fools posts went out, the jokes were ok to eh.

-One SFLer waging a one-man war vs the CONFRANCISCO convention. Why did CONFRANCISCO 1993 break established Hugo Award nomination procedures about including the previous years WorldCon attendees in the nomination process? Why did CONFRANCISCO lie about hotel availability? Why is CONFRANCISCO full of SMOF's?

-John Brunner's work being banned from a un-named publisher/bookstore chain when they found out he was the same John Brunner that wrote a bunch of anti-nuclear war stuff.

-JURASSIC PARK 1993 comes out and the last 7 weeks of SFL Archives Vol 18a are almost exclusively dedicated to Jurassic Park movie/book discussion with side-conversations about Michael Crichton's research/anti-technology bias as a author. 

Monday, January 18, 2021

SFL Archives 1993: Compiled Posts from J. Michael Straczynski about BABYLON 5

From SFL Archives Volume 18a

 Will update this post as more BABYLON 5 content appears in Vol 18a.


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Date: 1 Feb 93 06:11:16 GMT

From: Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com

Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu

Subject: BABYLON 5: Compiled Posts from J. Michael Straczynski (35K)


Following are selected posts by J. Michael Straczynski from GEnie from the

last month in the Babylon 5 Category.  These posts are copyright 1993 by J.

Michael Straczynski with compilation copyright by GEnie.


They deal with the final days of production and the buildup to the airing

of the pilot movie "The Gathering".  An updated B5 FAQL will be posted soon

to the net.  J. Michael Straczynski is the creator/writer/executive

producer of the Babylon 5 movie and proposed series.


WARNING: these posts may contain spoilers about the movie and future shows.


Category 18,  Topic 1

Message 180       Tue Jan 05, 1993

STRACZYNSKI [Joe]            at 22:35 EST


   RE: cliffhangers...not between episodes, certainly.  Between seasons,

it's...hard to explain.  There are, or will be *changes* that happen from

one season to another (as planned), specific events that take place that

should bring one up short...but "cliffhanger" in the sense of leaving some

guy hanging from a string over a lake of fire...no, no plans for such at

this time.


     RE: kids...boy, that one sure hit a nerve on both sides, didn't it?

That's good.  An argument like this is what a show or story should do, get

people discussing the issues.


     Meanwhile, on other areas....


                             ****WOW****


   I was in the editing bay today during the pre-dub of B5 (which I'll

explain more , which btw has a nifty huge projection screen, twelve or

fifteen feet across, so I got to see some of the show as if at a

theater...plays pretty well.


   Anyway...what a pre-dub is, is this: those who saw the earlier version

of the pilot will remember, for instance, the scenes in the main corridor

of the station (well, one of them, anyway).  You have Sinclair and

Garibaldi talking.  It's an un-mixed scene...just as filmed, there are just

two guys talking.  All the rest of the set is silent.


   But now...NOW...you're in the editing bay, and now you add in the

background voices, human and alien...mechanical sounds nearby...an intercom

voice advertising station services...then layer in the music, and suddenly

it's a MOVIE!  Someone said that sound is half of a movie, and you forget

that until it hits you in the face.


   The pre-dub is where you layer in the voice tracks (original, from the

production; adr (automatic dialogue replacement) for lines that were not

sufficiently audible or need to be looped; incidental dialogue (computers,

background characters) and walla (general crowd sounds).  You decide how

much of any of these is too much, how much more you need, what the balance

is...if you need to use the surround capability to put this voice HERE or

THERE....


   Then we previewed some scenes with music, and did a little of the same

there (we'll do more during the final mix Thursday through Tuesday).  For

instance...most music cues are anywhere from a few seconds long to maybe a

minute or more.  Ours tend to be longish...the longest is a cue that lasts

7.5 minutes, and goes inside the station, outside the station, to different

*parts* of the station, and the music continues throughout.  We figured

that we needed to better differentiate the sound inside vs. outside the

station...so in the music cue, we drop the electric guitar out of the mix

for the inside scenes, and put it back in for the outside scenes, for

instance.


   The result, basically, being that it becomes a *M*O*V*I*E* for the first

time.  And boy, it cooks, lemme tell you.  There are moments of absolute

and inutterable self-doubt in a project like this, especially when paired

with the monumental press machine from elsewhere which is doing everything

possible to bury us in the interests of preserving an economic monopoly and

critics who figure we're a clone of another show.  But then you turn around

and see something like this, and you know it's going to work...and it

really helps.


jms


[Moderator's Note: Due to the length of this article, it has been split

into two parts.  The second part will appear in issue #115.]

------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: 1 Feb 93 06:11:16 GMT

From: Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com

Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu

Subject: BABYLON 5: Compiled Posts from J. Michael Straczynski (35K)


[Moderator's Note: This is the second part to the article that began in

issue #114.  Part three will appear in issue #116.]


[JMS was asked if David Gerrold was doing the novelization]


Category 18,  Topic 2

Message 547       Tue Jan 12, 1993

STRACZYNSKI [Joe]            at 23:15 EST


   Yes, I've asked David (and he's agreed) to write the novelization, which

will probably commence within days of the series go being given.  And there

have been many screenplays published over the years, in script form/via

paperback or hardcover; I have a rather extensive collection of same

(including the aforementioned T2 book, which is extraordinarily good).  It

might be a good idea to do one for B5, with annotations, but not including

the "how to write for tv" material mainly because that's a) covered in my

writing book, which b) I intend one of these days to finish updating to

Writers Digest Books can stop yelling on me.


   Some random observations and thoughts which might be of interest...


   We've pretty much finished the final mix, as stated, which we'll review

tomorrow morning to be sure that it sounds okay on a small set.  But for

those of you out there with surround systems, and stations that will

broadcast in surround...me boyos, have YOU got a treat coming your way.  We

did a *lot* of work on this thing to emphasize the surround.  One act had

over 100 passes to make the sound as layered as possible (an average show

has maybe 30 per).  The movement is quite distinct and compelling.  The

sound EFX are also quite good...the sound made by the weapons is also quite

good.


   One thing we did with the weapons is to try, again, to be fairly

logical.  If it's a BIG weapon - rifle size or better - then you're going

to have a quicker recharge time (if any) between firings, though you may

have to change packs more often.  At one point, you'll see a smaller,

hand-sized gun being fired a few times.  And each time, you'll hear a power

whine as it builds up the required power to fire off another round.  A gun

that small simply wouldn't have the capability to fire off one after

another after another without some power buildup that might not be present

in a larger gun.  (Smaller guns are generally things you'd want to smuggle

on board, and might be as useful, in those ways, as a Derringer, which

could only fire one or two shots, as opposed to a machinegun or gattling

gun brought openly into battle, and which is intended to be used a lot.)


   Someone mentioned the positive aspects to building the maximum

population of a space station around available supplies and other very real

considerations.  We're trying, consistently, to ask "How would this work in

reality?  What are the SCIENCE considerations in doing SF?"  In general,

we've found that if you Ask The Next Question and try to be logical, you

get MORE options, and you get more INTERESTING options than if you just

throw all that to the winds.  (Often networks say, "Ah, screw the science

on it, you'll just limit yourself."  Not true.)


   During the final mix-down, a group of cub scouts came through the mixing

facility on a tour.  So we invited them in for the play-back on the

next-to- the-last act...this is the one where we kick over the table and

it's pretty much nonstop action.  Wanted to see the reaction of kids to the

show, because if there's a more relentlessly honest audience than kids that

age, I don't know what it is.  The fidget factor is enormous when they get

bored.


   They didn't BUDGE.  For some of the shots, they sat there, slack jawed,

at what they were seeing.  Which is also good to know, that the show can

appeal to kids as well as adults WITHOUT making any dumb compromises (i.e.,

writing down, sticking in kids) to that audience.  I heard them later

talking about it among themselves, and though one kid was a bit unnerved by

the whole thing, the rest just went on and on about

it..."awesome"..."cool"..."that was great."  So far, so good.


   Onward.


   In thinking a little about the discussion, and what role I've tried to

play (and if I've seemed a bit brief or short of late, my apologies; the

workload is immense just now), and I don't want anyone to think that I'm

playing coy or just teasing about the series when questions about same come

up, insofar as story possibilities or plot stuff is concerned.  Obviously,

I don't want to give out stuff that would constitute the Ultimate Spoiler.


   But there are generalities that I *can* talk about.  When this topic

first began, I was able to talk a little about what was hoped for in the

movie...to let people know what we were talking about, and what to expect

in exchange for the interest.  (I've always believed that you have to put

your money where your mouth is and earn loyalty by keeping promises and

being straightforward in what you do.)


   So what *can* be said about the series, what would you have to look

forward to?


   You will find out what happened to Sinclair, for starters, during the

Earth/Minbari war.  In that respect, the pilot movie is like the first

chapter of a novel.  For nearly 10 years, Sinclair has worked to convince

himself that nothing happened to him on the Line other than what seems to

be the case: that he blacked out for 24 hours.  He's just managed to

convince himself of this.  Now, suddenly, someone comes into his life and

with seven words - you'll know them when you hear them - completely

unravels the self-deception.  He knows then that something DID happen to

him, that someone DID mess with his mind...and he is going to find out who,

and why.


   This he will do.  And the ramifications of that discovery will have a

major influence on the series, on his relationships, and the future of not

only his character but many others.


   You will see what a Vorlon is...and what it represents.  And what it may

have to do with our own saga, and a hidden relationship to some of our

other characters (watch the reception scene carefully).  We'll discover

that there are MANY players in this game.


   One thing that separates this show from others is that on other shows,

very often you do things to them to make for interesting drama...you take

them prisoner, you make them kids, whatever...in this show, it's what's

INSIDE the characters that will pose the greatest problems...and the

greatest possibilities for drama.  Most every major character is either

running to, or away from something in their hearts, or their pasts, or

their careers.  Garibaldi's past will catch up with him in a very difficult

way that will affect his role and make him a very different character for

as much as a full season, and have lasting effects thereafter.  Lyta will

take part in a voyage of discovery that will very much change her

character.


   Some of the established empires will fall.  Some will rise.  Hopes and

fortunes will be alternately made or destroyed.  At least one major group

not yet known even to EXIST will make its presence known, but only

gradually.  Some characters will fall from grace.  Others will make

bargains whose full price they do not understand...but will eventually come

to realize, and regret.


   At the end of the first season, one character will undergo a major,

MAJOR change, which will start the show spinning on a very different axis.

The first season will have some fairly conventional stories, but others

will start the show gradually moving toward where I want it to go.  One has

to set these things up gradually.  Events in the story - which is very

much the story of Jeffrey Sinclair - will speed up in each subsequent

season.


   Someone he considers a friend will betray him.  Another will prove to be

the exact opposite of what Sinclair believes to be true.  Some will live.

Some will die.  He will be put through a crucible of terrible force, that

will change him, and alter his destiny, in a profound and terrible way...if

he goes one way, or the other, will determine not only his own fate, but

that of millions of others.  He will grow, and become stronger, better,

wiser...or be destroyed by what fate is bringing his way.  In sum, it is a

story of hope against terrible adversity and overwhelming odds.


   That, in broad brush strokes, is a *taste* of what I plan to do with the

series.  I note this here because when the pilot airs, I am going to ask

for your continued help in supporting the endeavor for the series, and it

occurs to me that you ought to have at least SOME idea of what you're

buying, and being asked to support.  One should never be asked to sign a

blank check on the bank of one's conscience.


   Reactions?


jms


Category 18,  Topic 2

Message 549       Tue Jan 12, 1993

STRACZYNSKI [Joe]            at 23:42 EST


   What happens at the end of the five year arc?  The "Babylon 5" series

ends...if I have anything to say about it (and I do).  If something esle

follows, we'll see what that is, but it won't be the same series, or the

same title, or really the same characters.


   Barring that very distant possibility, at the end of the five year arc,

I take a very, very, VERY long nap....


jms


[The following is the opening narration from the movie.  The voice talking

is an older Londo Mollari ].


Category 18,  Topic 8

Message 137       Sat Jan 09, 1993

STRACZYNSKI [Joe]            at 23:23 EST


   "I was there at the dawn of the Third Age of Mankind.  It began in the

Earth Year 2257.  Babylon 5 was the last of the Babylon stations, located

deep in neutral space.  It was a port of call for refugees, businessmen,

smugglers, diplomats and travelers from a hundred worlds.  It could be a

dangerous place, but we accepted the risk because Babylon 5 was our last,

best hope for peace.  Under the leadership of its final commander, Babylon

5 was a dream, given form.  A dream of a galaxy without war, where species

from different worlds could exist, side by side, in mutual respect...a

dream that was endangered, as never before, by the arrival of one man on a

mission of destruction.


   "Babylon 5...was the last of the Babylon stations.  This...is its

story...."


jms


Category 18,  Topic 2

Message 250       Mon Jan 25, 1993

STRACZYNSKI [Joe]            at 04:29 EST

 

   A video index...oh man...you're *deliberately* trying to make my

life a living hell, aren't you?  (More than it is already.)


   We'll see.  It's something I'll mention, and see how they react.


   Meanwhile, here's a little something I came across in my computer this

evening.  I had always sensed that the Londo introduction/narration at the

top of the pilot was the way to go.  But it never hurts to try other

avenues...you discover the darndest ideas that way.  Anyway, I came up with

an alternate introduction, just to see if it worked or not.  I rather liked

it...and still do, to some degree...but finally opted to go with the Londo

intro instead, which is what we'll stick with.


   But since it's not going to be used, I figured...why not let y'all take

a look at what would've been an alternate opening for the pilot?


                             BABYLON 5

                          Insert/Prologue


 FADE IN:


 ON STATIC.  Then: a BLACK SCREEN, OVER which we HEAR the FEMALE 

 voice of a news broadcast in progress:


                              FEMALE VOICE (vo)

                -- continue to bring you updates on 

                the Interplanetary News Network.


 And now, gradually, a PICTURE begins to emerge from the darkness 

 -- grainy, slightly washed out, a VIDEO IMAGE of Babylon 5.


                              FEMALE VOICE (vo)

                In other news, the Earth Alliance 

                space station Babylon 5 celebrates 

                its first year in operation with the 

                imminent arrival of an ambassador 

                from the Vorlon Empire.


 And now: a MONTAGE of shots from within B5, and some EFX shots 

 from outside...the casino, the customs area, the bazaar and other 

 areas.  During this, the IMAGE BEGINS TO SHRINK, to recede into 

 the distance, and gradually the stars begin to come out on all 

 sides of the picture, framing it.  This UNDER:


                              FEMALE VOICE (vo)

                Located in neutral territory, Babylon 

                5 has exceeded all expectations in 

                dealing with the many life forms that 

                pass through the five mile long 

                station.  As a result, Earth Central 

                has approved an appropriations bill 

                to keep the orbiting freeport open to 

                travelers, businessmen and diplomats 

                for another five years.


 And now the image shifts, and the picture continues to recede 

 into the distance, now only a few inches across...a grainy black 

 and white image:


                              FEMALE VOICE (vo)

                Meanwhile, a new binary star 

                discovered by Mars colony scientists 

                has been named Kennedy Proxima, after 

                20th century president John F. 

                Kennedy, born 340 years ago this 

                week.


 And now, in the small picture framed by stars, receding more 

 rapidly from view, we SEE footage of JFK speaking before the

 Democratic convention the eve of his presidential nomination:


                              KENNEDY

                I believe that the times require 

                imagination, and courage, and 

                perseverance.  I'm asking each one of 

                you to be pioneers toward that New 

                Frontier.  My call is to the young at 

                heart, regardless of age; to the 

                stout of spirit, regardless of party; 

                to all those who respond to the 

                scriptural call, "Be strong and of 

                good courage.  Be not afraid, neither 

                be dismayed."  For courage, not 

                complacency, is our need today.


 UNDER this, Kennedy's image recedes further into the distance, 

 growing smaller and smaller until he is now one of the many 

 surrounding stars splashed across the blackness of space.  A

 moment, and the MUSIC RISES, brave and martial, as we


 TILT and PAN ACROSS to reveal Babylon 5 itself, up close and

 personal in all its huge splendor.  PUSH IN on the station as

 a ship approaches, and we HEAR: 


                              LAUREL (vo)

                Confirmed, Delta Gammer Niner, you 

                are clear for docking.


jms


Category 18,  Topic 2

Message 251       Mon Jan 25, 1993

STRACZYNSKI [Joe]            at 04:33 EST

 

   That should be Delta Gamma Niner, not Gammer Niner.  Typo.  Sorry.


jms

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Date: 1 Feb 93 06:11:16 GMT

From: Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com

Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu

Subject: BABYLON 5: Compiled Posts from J. Michael Straczynski (35K)


[Moderator's Note:  This is the final part to the article that began in

issue #114.]


Category 18,  Topic 2

Message 265       Mon Jan 25, 1993

STRACZYNSKI [Joe]            at 23:17 EST

 

   Generally speaking, I agree with the sentiments expressed, and what

you've picked up on are the reasons that I decided against using this

particular form, even though there are things I like about it.  What was,

for me, the #1 reason for not using it is that it's...for lack of a better

term, fairly prosaic.  A news cast as opposed to the voice of the story

teller, a sense of future-history you get through Londo's voice and the

identification of him as the storyteller.


   Although I agree about the Kennedy tie, and that it can be somewhat

problematic, what I like about it is that it fed into what I've been after

with this show from day one...to tie our past, our present and our future.

Done properly, it could've been fairly classy, I think.  And there's

Kennedy's voice - I have the tape of his speech - which rings powerful

and true in that speech.  It set a tone.  But as has been noted here

before, writing and acting and directing are fundamentally about making

choices...this move rather than that, this attitude over that attitude.

The Londo choice was the *better* of the two, even though there's much

about this version to commend it.


   (A quick aside re: the MURDER question...the episode you cite was one

done under my watch, but not the one I mentioned as the last I'd have

anything to do with for this season.  That one, which I wrote, aired about

two weeks ago.  The one you saw this weekend was from last season, as is

the one coming up this Sunday, an episode of mine called "The Committee," a

fairly gothic episode that actually came out quite well.  The mystery

element may or may not be that strong, but for me, MURDER was always a

character story first, onto which you graft a puzzle.)


   Well, review copies of the pilot are going out, and have gone out.  I

heard through back channels that a major reviewer for a major magazine saw

the pilot on Thursday last and his head exploded, thought it was terrific.

The one comment that I keep hearing back from people is that it redefines

SF on television.  Now, that doesn't necessarily mean it's the best thing

since sliced bread, but in terms of character and SFX and the general, more

adult approach, it redefines what you can get away with.  Which is all to

the good.


   As for what I'm doing now...writing a script for a friend who's in a

bind, ratcheting up the PR on the show a little more, giving interviews and

suchlike, trying to get a leg up on my next novel so I'll be able to

continue with it once this thing gets going to series, and some other stuff

that, for the moment, is classified.


   It's now less than a month until this thing shows nationally.  And just

a tick over two weeks until those with satellite dishes pull the show out

of the general ether.  By February 22nd, I fully anticipate being a

complete and total basket case.


   Fortunately, it's unlikely anyone will notice....


jms


Category 18,  Topic 2

Message 318       Thu Jan 28, 1993

STRACZYNSKI [Joe]            at 06:54 EST

 

   Well, it's almost 4 a.m.  I was going to give you three guesses as to

what I've been watching - again - but I figure by now that's kind of

pointless.  I know, I know, obsessive/compulsive.  Sue me.


   It's now 2 weeks and 1 day until those of you with satellite dishes see

the pilot.  I'll be very interested in seeing (well, reading) your

reactions.  I must confess that as this dialogue continues, I find myself

learning more, and questioning more, and digging deeper for information

that had been glossed over before.  I very much appreciate your comments,

your suggestions, even the occasional outbursts of Attitude.


   There will shortly be a private screening of the pilot on a real movie

screen, just for cast and crew.  The only time that I know of that this

thing will be shown in the US on a big screen.  Have been going over what

I'm going to say to the assembled folks...how does one properly thank

another for the fulfillment of a dream?  How do you quantify five (now six)

years of struggle, now given life by people you had hardly met one year

before, but have given their blood and time and effort to see someone

else's dream realized?


   During the filming, as I would be standing on stage, off camera, and

we'd take a break between shots, invariably someone - the camera operator,

the costumer, an actor, a carpenter - would come up alongside and say, "Is

this close to what you saw when you wrote it?  How are we doing on the

dream?"  They knew what it meant, the long road to get here, that it wasn't

just a *job* for me and many others; it was something we wanted to do out

of passion.  And they responded to that...slept nights on the set rather

than going home, produced work above and beyond the call of duty...how do

you properly thank someone for reaching into your head and pulling out a

vision and giving it form and weight and light and substance?  I don't

know.  I don't know.


   Whatever the future holds - win, lose or draw - I think we've done

something special here.  And it's interesting to see how that sense

pervades everything...the casting, the production...and now even this.  I

have noticed - I do a LOT of bbsing, much to my spousal overunit's dismay -

that the tone on this category seems vastly different than it is elsewhere.

I don't know...a give and take, no flame wars, a sense of community, the

VERY SAME sense present on the set, in the dressing room, behind the

camera.


   In the cold light of morning (when I manage to see it, when I'm not

coming at 4 a.m. from the opposite direction), I tell myself it's just a

television show, and six months from now, or ten years from now, no one

will notice or remember.  At night, as I watch the show again for I no

longer know how many times, I allow - just for a second - the notion that

we've carved out a little piece of history.  Win, lose or draw, we got it

on film, when everyone said we couldn't.


   And now it's yours.


jms


Category 18,  Topic 12

Message 176       Thu Jan 28, 1993

STRACZYNSKI [Joe]            at 20:01 EST

 

   BTW, I've been hearing more and more from our Warners liaison that the

reviewers who've gotten copies of the B5 pilot have had their corneas

melted by what they've seen.  Half a dozen have already scrapped plans for

other covers in their weekly television magazine/supplements in deference

to a cover story on B5 (and this during Sweeps Week, no less!).


   Keep your eyes peeled, folkses...the stuff should start hitting the

streets in the final week of our countdown.


jms


Category 18,  Topic 2

Message 363       Sat Jan 30, 1993

STRACZYNSKI [Joe]            at 03:20 EST

 

   Agreed on LBJ...he was something of a thug.


   Flat-out wasted tonight...we had a private screening this evening for

cast, crew, some critics and some Warners execs.  About 400+ people at the

theater in the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences in North Hollywood

(in the shadow of a 50 foot Emmy).  I don't think I've ever been as

nervous, because here's where all the people who worked their butts off get

to see if we screwed it all up for them or not.  Everyone liked it bigtime.

The few critics who said anything (most headed out, as is standard, you

don't want to tip your hand) loved it...one CNN person said he hoped it

would run for 10 years, another critic said it was the best SF television

pilot he'd seen in the last 10 years...I think they liked it.


   Sitting here now with a MASSIVE headache from fretting over all this, so

will probably make this short tonight.  (Harlan kept hitting me in the

shoulder after the screening, smiling and saying, "Will you for chrissakes

ENJOY this?  It's your night!  It's a hit!  It's wonderful!  This kind of

night only comes once in your life!  Enjoy it!"  I will...as soon as we get

the series Go.  Nothing can be allowed to distract from that.)


jms


Category 18,  Topic 2

Message 374       Sat Jan 30, 1993

STRACZYNSKI [Joe]            at 23:50 EST

 

   The sound system at the theater was great; we ran it off the D2, the

master tape, and it came out very well.


   The point you raise re: Starlost is one Harlan's made to me.  When I was

at times feeling a bit low - I want the series NOW - he would point out

that no matter what happens, we made my show the way I wanted it made, no

interference...as opposed to what happened with Starlost, which just yanked

his heart out.  And it's a valid point.


   Thing is, it took five years to get this made, and that it HAS been

made...it's almost an act of sheer will.  I decided five years ago that no

matter what happens, this pilot WILL be made.  You have to focus in on the

goal like a laser beam (tm Bill Clinton).  That's been done.  Now the next

step: the series WILL be made...and now I have to focus in on that one with

equal conviction.  It's quite literally the only way ANYTHING ever gets

made in this town.  Ask George.  He's been down the same road.


   As for the question of the show working with non-SF fans...we've

actually shown it to a number of people who don't know from SF, and the

result has been that they've liked it enormously.  The reason, basically,

is that it's not a hardware-driven story.  It's a character drama with a

mystery story element.  The solution doesn't come from cross-wiring the

ramaframmit with the zigamakawanna, and computing the resonance factors.

(And I have to confess that those kinds of stories bore me to tears.)  You

start and end with character, and drama...and if you're true to those

elements, the audience will follow you even into unfamiliar terrain.


jms


Category 18,  Topic 2

Message 379       Sun Jan 31, 1993

STRACZYNSKI [Joe]            at 05:21 EST

 

   (btw...anyone here know of any major conventions between now and

February 22nd around the country?)


   What has been said that's *negative* about the show?  Do you actually

believe I'll provide *NEGATIVE* information about my own show?


   You do?  Oh.  Then okay.


   Probably the number one comment, when there are any negatives voiced, is

that the first half-hour is slow when compared with the rest of the

episode.  And I have to agree...there's SO much to establish, so much

ground to cover, that the first half hour is very dense.  Once we've

established the foundation, that changes fast, because we now have a common

ground of understanding about the universe in which the story is taking

place.


   Let's see...one fellow from Starburst Magazine who was at the preview

said that if it were his, he would've rearranged the last few shots.  The

current sequence is, Action Scene, Transition with Kosh, Confrontation with

a Major Character and Sinclair, the Reception, Delenn and Sinclair in the

Garden, and the final shot with Laurel in the observation dome.  He

would've put the Confrontation with a Major character as the LAST scene,

and cut the shot of Laurel altogether.  His sense is to end on a big

scene...my sense is that it's better to end on a note that sets up the

series to follow.  Not so much a negative as a difference of opinion.


   Let's see...some didn't like the gun designs (others loved it), some

felt we didn't do as much as we could've with the background aliens (some

thought we did too much)...mainly they've been matters of taste, rather

than someone finding something that Just Doesn't Make Sense, or an EFX shot

that looks crummy.  There aren't any Real Big Plot Holes, and insofar as I

know, nothing major to pick on which is *objective*, only differences of

opinion.  (As we've seen here with the Kennedy stuff; some liked it, others

didn't.)


jms


Posted by Lee Whiteside

P14942@email.mot.com

elw@cup.portal.con

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Wednesday, January 13, 2021

SFL Archives 1992: BABYLON 5 initial casting announcements & BABYLON 5: THE GATHERING Info File

Compiled from 4 or so messages in the SFL Archives Volume 17b.


BABYLON 5 CAST INFO

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Date: 17 Jul 92 06:23:26 GMT

From: Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com

Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu

Subject: Babylon 5 Cast info (first actor to be announced!)


The man cast for Babylon 5 has been picked and will be announced shortly,

once Warners is ready to release the info. One actor is known at this

point, since he will be announcing his role at a convention somewhere this

coming weekend.


The actor who will portray Ambassador G'Kar of the Narn Regime is Andreas

Katsulas (best known as the Romulan Tomolak on ST:TNG).

His film work includes the latest Woody Allen film, Blake Edwards'

"Sunset," as well as "Someone To Watch Over Me," "Communion," "Next of Kin"

and many others. On television, he has appeared in ST:TNG, ALIEN NATION,

THE EQUALIZER, MAX HEADROOM, THE HUMAN FACTOR and many more.


Lee Whiteside

Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com

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Date: 18 Jul 92 05:57:20 GMT

From: Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com

Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu

Subject: Re: Babylon 5 Cast info (Lead Actress)


From J. Michael Straczynski on the Babylon 5 Topic on the Genie SFRT:


Some of you here may have seen a WONDERFUL film entitled "Come See The

Paradise," starring Dennis Quaid, with a fantastic performance by Tamlyn

Tomita. (The story concerned a young Japanese woman and her husband,

played by Quaid, and the internment camps of the second world war.) She

received rave notices for that performance, and for her many other

projects, including major roles in "Orange Curtain," "Hawaiian Dream," "The

Karate Kid II," and such television projects as "Quantum Leap," "The Trials

of Rosie O'Neil," "Tour of Duty," "Santa Barbara" (where she was a series

regular), and such TV movies as "Hiroshima," and "To Heal A Nation."


Tamlyn Tomita has come aboard BABYLON 5 as Lieutenant-Commander Laurel

Takashima, who in concert with Commander Sinclair has primary

responsibility for running B5. She is a phenomenal performer, vastly

talented, with the strength of personality necessary for a job like the one

Laurel handles...we're absolutely thrilled to have her aboard.


Those of you who have seen her work will know how fortunate we are to

have her, and what presence and intelligence she will bring to that role.

She's just terrific.

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Date: 26 Jul 92 18:37:04 GMT

From: Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com

Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu

Subject: BABYLON 5: More Cast Details and other info


Here's the latest info on the Babylon 5 casting along with some other news

about the show. Text is most from J. Michael Straczynski, Babylon 5

creator/co-exec. producer from the GEnie Science Fiction Round Table,

Category 18, Topic 22.


More Casting Details:


Peter Jurasik will be playing the Centauri ambassador, Londo Mollari, a

role that calls for some degree of humor, but beneath that a layer of

something potentially not-good. He knocked us all out during auditions.

We locked him down instantly.


Peter has appeared in films like Problem Child, Enemy Mine, Tron, Straight

Time, Mr. Jones and others, and in TV shows such as Columbo, Hill Street

Blues and Beverly Hills Buntz (as Sidney the Snitch), Civil Wars, Remington

Steele, MacGyver and others.


For Security Chief Michael Garibaldi, a series regular, we've tapped Jerry

Doyle. Probably a number of you may not be familiar with that name, but

he's been around a lot. He only got into the acting business about 2-3

years ago, but hit almost immediately, with major roles in such films as

"Kidnapped" and "Being in Time," and on television in "Reasonable Doubts,"

"Homefront," appearing 27 times in "Bold and the Beautiful," and in

"Moonlighting."


He's not only a fine actor, but a *very* strong personality, well suited

to work with the actor playing Commander Sinclair...about whom more later.

We'd gone through a number of actors for the role of Garibaldi - something

like 25 or 30 - many of whom were good, but he knocked us out. When

someone comes into audition, you usually do a "slate," meaning you stick

'em against a wall and ask them their name, their height, and which part

they're auditioning for. In this case, when asked "And which role are you

auditioning for?" he answered, "The role I'm going to get...Michael

Garibaldi." And he did.


The Babylon 5 Manifest:


For the first time today, another writer was hired to write some material

for B5. This for the series down the road. Long before we can begin

hiring writers on the series, we need...well, not a bible, because that's

already written...and not a sample script, because that's already written

as well...but for lack of a better term, and since we're sticking with such

Biblical references as Babylon to start with, call it an Epistle.

Something which will spell out, for writers, what you should and should not

do in a science fiction television series...the dumbnesses to avoid, the

overused plots, the goals to aspire toward. Call it a manifesto of our

intentions. For something like this, I went to someone with the toughest

standards around. So yes, Harlan Ellison has been commissioned to write

it. And has accepted. And is starting posthaste.


If *that* doesn't tell writers we mean business, and set the standard of

what we intend to shoot for, I don't know what will.


San Diego Comic Con:


The Babylon 5 presentation at ComicCon will take place at 11:00 AM on

that Saturday, in the main room (where Shatner will be making a

presentation/appearance at 1:00). [That's August 15. Filming will begin

on August 10th and JMS promises to show some film clips from the show).


Starlog Article:


The September issue of Starlog has an article on Babylon 5 written by Larry

Conley (who wrote "Silicon Avatar" for ST:TNG). Due to some mixups between

Starlog and Newtek, the photos used with the article are either outdated by

several months or have nothing to do with Babylon 5. For a good picture of

the Babylon 5 space station, take a look at the NewTek ad for the Video

Toaster on the back of current Amiga and PC magazines.


Lee Whiteside

Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com

Date: 4 Aug 92 06:25:04 GMT

From: Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com

Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu

Subject: BABYLON 5: More Casting Info, Behind the Scenes


Here's the latest word on the casting for Babylon 5, as posted by J.

Michael Straczynski on the GEnie SFRT Babylon 5 topic.


Lyta Alexander:

Cast...hmm...well, here's a funny thing. See, I'd created the role of

Lyta Alexander (the rent-a-telepath) along with every other character 'way

back when. Between then and now, I saw the remake of "Night of the Living

Dead," and was blown out of the room by one of the actors: Patricia

Tallman. I'd always thought that Lyta should have eyes somehow bigger than

they should be (no makeup, just the perception), should be a redhead, and

should be physically capable of handling herself. So when time came to

revise the script, update it and stuff, as I wrote Lyta's part, I kept

thinking of Tallman (and expanding the part commensurately).


As we began auditions, I kept an open mind...but always kind of hoped

that Patricia would be the one that we all liked. And, sonuvagun, that's

how it's worked out. So she's Lyta. (In addition to NOTLD, she's also

appeared in "Knightriders," "Roadhouse," "Monsignore," in the upcoming

"Army of Darkness," and in television on "Generations," "Tales from the

Darkside, " "Texas" and "Guiding Light.")


Dr. Benjamin Kyle:

For the part of Dr. Benjamin Kyle we have Johnny Sekka, who has been

featured in such films as THE FEVER, HANKY PANKY, ASHANTI, A WARM DECEMBER,

THE SOUTHERN STAR, KHATROUM, WOMAN OF STRAW and others (working, along the

way, with such folks as Ryan O'Neal, Sidney Poitier, Orson Welles, Lawrence

Olivier and Sean Connery, to name but a few), and in such television

projects as MASTER OF THE GAME, ROOTS: THE SECOND GENERATION, KINGSTON

CONFIDENTIAL and PASSION IN PARADISSE...Johnny Sekka comes out of the Old

Vic in London, the Royal Court theater, and the Strattford Theater,

classically trained.


He's a wonderful actor, with a great sense of elegance and style and

power. Like so many others, when he came in the door, we knew instantly

that this was the one for us. (And the kind of accent you wish every

doctor had...you'd trust him immediately.)


Carolyn Sykes:

For Commander Sinclair's lady-friend, trader Carolyn Sykes, we have

Blair Baron. If you've seen "League Of Their Own," she's in the opening

sequence as the daughter who encourages her mother to go out and attend the

Hall of Fame opening. She's done a LOT more than that, but her credits are

at the office, and I'm at home.


Announced so far:

Laurel Takashima.............Tamlyn Tomita

Ambassador Londo Mollari.....Peter Jurasik

Michael Garibaldi............Jerry Doyle

Ambassador Kosh..............Himself

Lyta Alexander...............Patricia Tallman

Ambassador G'Kar.............Andreas Katsulas

Dr. Benjamin Kyle............Johnny Sekka

Carolyn Sykes................Blair Baron


[To add to the casting info, here's a couple of posts with behind-the-

scenes info from JMS]


Posted on Sunday, Aug 2:


Well, as of tomorrow, Monday, we are exactly one week from filming. Our

costume designer pointed out that making a project like this is a lot like

making Thanksgiving dinner...you set a dozen different things going at

different times, and hope they all come together at the right moment in the

right way. So far, I think we're on track.


Costumes are almost finished; we'll have all the command uniforms by

Tuesday or so, and the rest by week's end. Most of the on-screen displays

you'll see live on consoles in the observation dome and suchlike are

finished (and are really amazing in their detail)...there's one shot where

they do a navigational location on Kosh's ship that's really quite lovely.


One thing that I haven't mentioned to date is the lighting, because we

were looking at our options; everything else in the show is state of the

art, and we wanted to find something equally innovative. It took a while,

but we found a company that does very different sorts of lighting, and will

give the show a unique look and texture in most every shot.


Construction is finished on most of our primary sets, and now they're

being painted and dressed. We've spent a lot of this past week going over

props...guns and glasses, displays and dice, you name it. There are a

number of things that can actually transfer pretty well to the future

without modification, but a lot more that have to be redesigned or

modified.


Prosthetics are in place. The full cast assembles either tomorrow or

Tuesday and we begin rehearsals. The shots have already been blocked out

by the director, A.D. and cinematographer. We were getting a little

cramped for space on the sets, so we've co-opted another soundstage, and

now there's a real spacious feel to some of this stuff.


I'm going through the script tonight, and tomorrow, one last time to

adjust lines, make them stronger, scratch for every possible inch of

characterization. Then we'll lock it down Wednesday, so from that moment

on, there shouldn't be any further changes of substance. Which is great

for the cast, since they don't have to constantly be learning new lines.


Monday is our last major production meeting before filming starts.

After that, it's simply a matter of holding on and hoping for the best...

even under the best of conditions, something can screw up at the last

moment, and I live in dread of that. And as a writer, you can never be

100% sure that what works on the page will work on the stage until you get

there.


I try to get very zen about these things. It's like firing the arrow;

you do all you can to line it up, but once you let go of the arrow, you

have to also let go mentally. You've done all you can, now live with it.

Our director has indicated that he's going to spend most of the Sunday

before we begin filming sleeping...on a project of this size, that means a

lot of short night and long days, so that's important. Me, I'll probably

spend the whole night staring up at the ceiling, eyes like poached eyes,

looking like a still from the Ren and Stimpy show or a Tex Avery cartoon.


Posted Monday, Aug 3rd:

Those of you into films may know the work of John Stiers, who's done

most of the physical SFX for the James Bond films, for Outland and other

films. He's an academy award winner who *never* works in television, out of

choice. Turns out, he heard of what we were doing with B5, and asked to see

a copy of the script, not believing what he'd heard, that anyone would even

TRY something like this for television. Read the script...and he's aboard

B5 in that capacity. Turned down a film job that would have paid 3 times

as much. At the production meeting today, he commented that he hasn't seen

a group of people, or an operation, or an attitude like this in television

EVER...and that the last time he ran into something like this in film was

on the first James Bond movie, where everyone knew they were creating

something special.


It really is astonishing, the calibre of people we're attracting, and

have attracted. We've got academy and emmy award winners working right

alongside what are practially kids, pulling together to create something

special.


Funny stuff, btw...over the weekend, a bunch of the guys (Ron, our

director Richard Compton, the prosthetics team, and some guys from our

crew, including UPM Bob Brown, who came to us from Lucasfilm) shot some,

well, for lack of a better term...commercials. They'll run on monitors in

some of the corridors and business areas. If you have a VCR and tape this

show, you may want to run it back and pay closer attention to some of

what's going on in the background. It's *very* funny stuff, and only

occasionally sick and twisted.


The other two major characters, Commander Jeffrey Sinclair and Minbari

Ambassador Delenn, will not be announced by JMS until filming starts on

August 10th. They have been cast, Joe is just being secretive about it.

Ambassador Kosh will not be played by an actor, but by someone in a suit.

He won't have any lines in the opening movie, so no voice actor has been

cast as of yet.


A few other tidbits:


J. Michael Straczynski will be at the San Diego Comic Con on Saturday,

August 15th, at 11 a.m. He plans to show film from the first days of

filming in addition to the effects footage he has been showing.


Compiled by Lee Whiteside

Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com

P14942@email.mot.com

------------------------------

Date: 12 Aug 92 05:35:16 GMT

From: Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com

Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu

Subject: BABYLON 5: Rest of the Casting, First day of filming


Following is the last two actors to be announced for Babylon 5, along with

a report on the first day of filming by the show's creator and writer J.

Michael Straczynski.


Commander Jeffrey Sinclair:

One other casting piece now to announce...the role of Commander Jeffrey

Sinclair. The actor cast in that role is Michael O'Hare, who we discovered

while casting out of New York, and who we have flown out to L.A. for this

role. He's a classically trained actor, a graduate of Juliard, who just

knocked us out when he came in to audition. He has a tremendous presence,

and a voice vaguely reminiscent of Clint Eastwood at times. His face has a

curiously haunted look, but at the same time is (I'm told by the women who

go "yum" whenever he enters the room) quite appealing.


Michael has appeared in such films as "By a Thread," "Short Term Bonds,"

"Into Thin Air," "Pursuit," "The Promise," and others, as well as on

television in "Blue Revolution," "Case of Deadly Force," "Rage of Angels,"

"The Adams Chronicles," and in such episodic television shows as "The

Equalizer," "L.A. Law," "Kate and Allie" and others.


He is also a VERY accomplished stage actor, having appeared on Broadway

to tremendous reviews in "A Few Good Men," "Players," "Man and Superman"

and "Galileo," among many, many others.


The one thing we did NOT want, which we knew from the start, was one

more pretty-boy TV actor...we wanted someone with character in his face,

with a broad dramatic range. And we got all of it in Michael O'Hare.


Minbari Ambassador Delenn:


And then there's Ambassador Delenn. He, as you know, is the Minbari

ambassador assigned to B5. His makeup/prosthetics has taken the longest to

work out, but now we're happy with his look. And the performer who will

play Ambassador Delenn is Mira Furlan, whose work is extremely well known

in Europe. A native Yuglosavian who has appeared in such highly regarded

films as "When Father Was Away On Business" (which received the Palme D'Or

at Cannes, as well as an Oscar nomination), "Three For Happiness" (which

took the Grand Prix at the Valencia Film Festival), "Dear Video,"

"Southbound," "The Condemned," "The Beauty of Sin," and nearly a dozen

others, ALL of them starring roles. There have also been starring roles in

major European productions and half a dozen major film awards. BABYLON 5

will be Mira Furlan's entry into American television.


The first day of filming, August 10th, 1992:


I'm sure that at some time in the past, I have been more tired than I am

right now, but I'm darned if I can think of it.


Got zip sleep last night. Would wake up almost every ten minutes, my

brain chewing on something or other, wondering if everything's in place,

worrying over the hair on one of the characters (honest), if it was too

extreme...constant bedspins.


Dragged my butt out early this morning and down to the studio by an

ungodly hour of the morning. Makeup and prosthetics took their usual time,

and some time was taken up re-rigging some of the video in the set we were

using today, adjusting some other stuff along the way. (Richard Compton,

our director, picked one of the most visually difficult scenes to start

with, figuring that if we could get past this one, the rest would be a

piece of cake, except for the one big scene toward the end of the shoot.)


We pulled the trigger and got off the first shot on-camera at about 9:30

a.m. I tried, where possible, to stay out of the line of fire, since by

this time I was vibrating enough to slide into another dimension, and

didn't want to infect anybody else. Went off perfectly.


The main thing, for me, was that today the whole world came alive at the

same time (the world of B5). Up until now, it's been pieces...we see the

actors. We see the sets. We see the costumes. We see the actors in the

sets but not in costume. We see the actors in costume but not on the sets.

Finally, there it was at last...all of our characters, in full costume or

uniform (and the uniforms look DYNAMITE!), on the sets. It was finally,

fully, completely *real* at last.


Andreas Katsulas took a great approach to Ambassador G'Kar, which is a

VERY dynamic looking alien, very intimidating...giving him an educated,

mellifluous voice, a wonderful counterpoint to his appearance. Peter

Jurasik was terrific as Londo Mollari, playing even the Advisory Council

scenes as though half in the bag and trying not to show it. Delenn was

exotic and mysterious, Tamlyn Tomita was senSATIONAL as Laurel, great

strength of character and presence...and I cannot begin to tell you what

star material we've found in Michael O'Hare. He's got a voice and a

presence that could give Sean Connery or Clint Eastwood a run for their

money. Jerry Doyle was great as Garibaldi, as was Johnny Sekka as Dr.

Kyle. (We've cast two strong leading men in Doyle and O'Hare, and they are

dynamite together...and there's a *very* nice chemistry emerging between

Sekka and O'Hare as well.)


Our Warners liason came by today for the first time to the set, and he

couldn't believe the sets, how much we've done, the details, the elaborate

stuff we've pulled off. He was absolutely blown away.


Long story short...it went *great*, better than I'd hoped. Richard

Compton was magnificent behind the camera, coming up with some very

difficult and challenging shots, great angles...it's going to look

wonderful. Very cinematic, almost film-noir in its use of textures and

shadows.


Later in the day, I had some friends come over, whose opinion I trust,

and who are very well versed in SF for television and film. (These

included Marv Wolfman and Len Wein, known to the comics fans here, and

Craig (Mr. SF) Miller, who was involved with the first STAR WARS, and is

not generally easily impressed.) They knew of B5 only peripherally, and

were in NO way prepared for what they saw on the set. Add to that the new

EFX that I showed them today...their eyes melted right out of their

sockets.


Day One finished. On time, on schedule, on budget. And it looks

spiffy.


I am a happy man. Exhausted, right down to the marrow, but happy.


jms


A couple of reminders:


J. Michael Straczynski will be at the San Diego Comic Con on Saturday,

August 15th, at 11 a.m. He plans to show film from the first days of

filming in addition to the effects footage he has been showing.


The current issue of Starlog (Sept) has an article on Babylon 5, ignore the

pictures since most ore way out of date or have nothing to do with the

show.


Lee Whiteside

Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com

P14942@email.mot.com

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BABYLON 5: THE GATHERING INFO FILE

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Date: 26 Jul 92 20:49:26 GMT

From: Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com

Reply-to: sf-lovers-tv@Rutgers.Edu

Subject: BABYLON 5: Babylon 5 Info File


WHAT IS BABYLON 5?


Babylon 5 is a new science fiction television series that will be part of a

new Warner Bros. Television Consortium, much like the Fox network when it

started. It is set on a Space Station in the mid 23rd Century. It will

premiere on in February 1993 with a two hour movie, "The Gathering" with a

weekly series to follow, provided the response is good to the movie. Also

appearing on the Warners Consortium will be "Time Trax" and "Kung Fu: The

Legend Continues".


The show was created by J. Michael Straczynski (JMS), who will be co-

executive producer on the show along with Doug Netter. It has been in

development for over four years, the last few with Warner Bros.


J. Michael Straczynski of Babylon 5 has a long and healthy relationship

with SF and related genres. He has previously been the story editor and

primary writer for the syndicated Twilight Zone series, and his recent

adaptation of The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde for Showtime

earned him both Ace and Writers Guild Award nominations. He has story

edited such other series as Captain Power, the animated Real Ghostbusters,

and such mainstream network programs as Jake and the Fatman and, concurrent

with Babylon 5's development, producer on the highly rated Murder, She

Wrote. He has also written many published short stories, a published

anthology, and two published dark fantasy/horror novels.


Richard Compton, Director: Richard is an *extremely* well-regarded director

from both film and TV. For television, he's directed such TV movies as

"Desperado", ST:TNG ("Haven"), many episodes of "The Equalizer" and "Hill

Street Blues" and other shows and movies and TV movies.


Heading up the effects and production elements are Ron Thornton (computer

EFX) and John Iacovelli (production designer). Ron, one of the country's

foremost experts in computer-generated graphics, will be working with

NewTek - creators of the Video Toaster, a company on the cutting edge of

computer EFX technology, to create images never before seen on television.

John Iacovelli, from HONEY I SHRUNK THE KIDS, is bringing a range of

innovative new techniques to give the everyday scenes of Babylon 5 in

action a vastly different and futuristic look.


WHAT IS BABYLON 5 - The Concept


The year is 2257. Mankind has gone to the stars, and we have found that

we are not alone. There are other governments and empires that are far

older than ours, and some that are younger. Some we met in peace, and

began an exchange of technology and information that substantially

increased the pace of Terran space exploration and colonization. Some

contacts were hostile.


And some led to outright war. The Earth/Minbari war lasted for almost a

decade, and led to one of the great mysteries of the time in which our

story is set. On the very edge of victory over the Earth Alliance, when

everything Earth tried had failed and their destruction seemed

imminent...the Minbari surrendered. It is now five years later, and the

dark secret behind the Minbari surrender will finally begin slowly to

emerge.


And over the course of the series, that secret will have a direct and

substantial impact on Babylon 5.


As for Babylon 5 itself...it is a space station roughly three miles in

length, with docking bays fore and aft. It is made up of sections that

rotate at varying speeds to create alternate gravities to accommodate

various lifeforms. Different atmospheres are also used in different

sections. Babylon 5 is located at a key jump-point; to get from any one of

the five major confederations (four alien, one human), you almost always

have to pass through this sector of space. Thus, the area surrounding

Babylon 5 has been designated Neutral Territory.


Babylon 5 itself, therefore, functions as a sort of futuristic

free-port, a space-borne Casablanca open to travelers from anywhere, going

anywhere; people fleeing from something or escaping to something, on

missions of urgency...smugglers, diplomats, scientists, mappers, traders,

soldiers, refugees...sooner or later, they all come to Babylon 5.


The station boasts substantial facilities, including the docking bays,

customs areas, nightclubs, casinos, meeting rooms, a Rent-A-Telepath

service for use by businessmen, living quarters and other facilities.

Because the station creates its gravity by rotation, like an O'Neill

sphere, the very center of Babylon 5 is a null-gravity area. On the

fringes of that round section, where gravity returns, hydroponic and other

forms of gardens and crops have been planted. In that respect, Babylon 5

is a self-enclosed planet turned inside-out. It is self-sustaning in most

regards.


Though run under the nominal jurisdiction of the Earth Alliance, the

station also has an advisory council consisting of one ambassador from each

of the four major alien confederations, with the station commander forming

the fifth, tie-breaking vote. In that sense, the station serves as a sort

of min-U.N., the first time all five groups have ever gathered together

before under one roof. As such, Babylon 5 represents the best chance for

peace that's come along in a very long time.


But there are also those who profit by trying to sabotage that peace.

And they, too, come to Babylon 5.


The station is called Babylon 5 because it is not the first such

attempt. Babylons 1 through 3 were sabotaged and destroyed. Babylon 4

disappeared mysteriously, without a trace, 24 hours after becoming

operational. Which makes life aboard Babylon 5 tenuous at best. They are

very literally on the fringe, on their own. If something should happen, no

one could reach there in time to help.


Commander Jeffrey Sinclair:

Jeffrey Sinclair is the Commander in charge of the Babylon 5 space

station. His concerns, though, tend to be more broad in scope...acting as

the informal representative of the Earth Alliance, dealing with questions

of policy and procedure, and keeping an eye on the Ambassadors.


Vice-Commander Laurel Takashima:

The day-to-day operations of the station are handled by Vice- Commander

Laurel Takashima. (In case Sinclair is incapicated or off- station, Laurel

is also empowered to take his place on the Council and speak for the E.A.)


Laurel can usually be found in the B5 Command and Control Room (also

referred to as the Observation Dome), where ships are coming and going,

keeping an eye on who's going where. All departments report directly to

her, and she is answerable only to Sinclair and Earth Central. Laurel is

one of the few command crew actually born on Earth, she is consistently on

top of things and is Sinclair's buffer between his diplomatic

responsibilities and the physical running of the station. She has

considerable interaction with the ambassadors and others coming aboard the

station. She's tough, and smart, and resourceful and she can also take

care of herself physically QUITE well.


Ambassador Londo Mollari of the Centauri Republic:

Londo is the most human of all the various ambassadors, and there's some

speculation that we might be a long forgotten outpost of the Republic. Of

course, the only ones MAKING that assertion are Londo's people, who have

much to gain in trying to convince others of that.


They are governed by an emperor, and the government works mainly through

personal and family influence. It's a very indulgent society, and Londo

reflects that. Overweight, prone to gambling constantly (null-pool is his

favorite), and fond of women and drinks, he understands his role and

doesn't try to push it. Like his Republic, he subsists on old stories and

tales of former glory, remarking - one night, when drunk, "my god, we've

become a tourist attraction. See the Great Fallen Centauri Republic, open

nine to five...Earth Time." He is, by turns, a comic figure, and a tragic

figure.


Narn Ambaddasor G'Kar:

The Narns once were very much under Centauri control, and they received

in many ways the most brutal treatment of any "protectorate" in Centauri

jurisdiction. A little under a hundred years ago, as the power of the

Centauri Republic was fading, the Narns broke their chains in open

revolution and expelled the occupying army, achieving independence.


Which brings us to Ambassador G'Kar (pronounced JAH-karr), of the Narn

Regime, married to a female war hero, whose fathers on both sides were also

distinguihed veterans of a hundred campaigns. In the main, his task is to

use the facilities of B5 wherever possible to Narn advantage, from

arranging tech-smuggling to military objectives and so on, while doing all

possible to interfere with the basic purpose of the station, to create the

peace. Peace is not in their best interests, though they give the opposite

impression. They want to keep all sides divided and at each other's throats

so that they're occupied while the Narns grow and expand quietly in the

background. The last thing they want is an alliance aimed against them

before they're ready.


Carolyn Sykes:

Carolyn Sykes has been romantically involved with Commander Sinclair for

a couple of years when we meet her. She knows quite a bit about him, but

there are some things he still hasn't told her. They have a very adult,

sexual relationship, and they are both independent and equal. She is the

owner, and pilot, of the trading vessel Ulysses...a self-made woman who's

an established and respected trader in a variety of goods. She works

mainly within the Earth Alliance colony worlds, though in the last few

years she's added routes in the Centauri sector.


She's sophisticated, sharp, and no-nonsense...screw around with her too

much, change the terms of your agreement in hopes of taking unfair

advantage of her, and she'll jettison the cargo right into the sun. She

has a reputation to protect, and would rather lose the deal than be dealt

with unfairly. It sets a bad precedent...and on some of the worlds she has

to deal with, the perception of strength is vital.


Dr. Benjamin Kyle:

Ben Kyle is Babylon 5's resident xenobiologist. He's in his late

forties or early fifties, black, very thoughtful, very dignified...with a

sly sense of humor (not sarcasm) that tends to catch one off guard. He

began as a physician on Earth, and was a leading researcher into

xenobiology there, gaining a quick grasp of the ins and outs of the few

alien cultures that we (then) were in contact with.


Naturally inquisitive, early on as a much younger man he began to

"hitch-hike" onto deep-space ships, always hungery for new information that

could be used by humans and outworlders alike. (His deal was that he would

act as ship's physician without charge, in exchange for a bit of freedom

whenever they made planetfall somewhere.)


He has seen, catalogued and operated on more alien lifeforms than just

about any other Earther in this time. And had his share of close scrapes,

as well. Some races consider is sacrilege for any other race to "enter"

their bodies through surgery...Ben will take the risk if it means saving a

life.


Security Chief Michael Garibaldi:

Michael Garibaldi has a long and not terribly salutory history. He's

been bounced from one job to another for years, always getting into trouble

with someone or other, usually because he won't back down from a fight, and

won't obey orders that involve hidden criminalities. He's also been framed

on occasion...all of which drove him into serious problems with alcohol.

He's largely overcome those problems...at least, so he now believes.


He's in his late thirties or early forties, with a face lined by the

troubles he's survived. He was brought to B5 by Commander Sinclair, over

EA objections, because Sinclair wanted someone who would do what was

required, even if it involved him. Someone with allegiance only to the

truth. He got it. Now he has to figure out if that's really such a good

idea or not...


Minbari Ambassoder Delenn:

Although the station was always intended as a sort of mini-U.N. as well

as a free-port, with an Ambassador from each different alien alliance

present, the Minbari refused to name an ambassador until the station

commander was named first. Shortly after Sinclair was named Commander, the

Minbari assigned their first ambassador to the station. His name is

Delenn. And he stays very close to Commander Sinclair. Some say he is

keeping a close eye on Sinclair. Some say he is Sinclair's friend. And

some say there may well be something very lethal behind those unreadable

Minbari eyes.


Lyta Alexander:

The station's resident rent-a-telepath is Lyta Alexander. She works for

Babylon 5, but she is available for businessmen who need to make sure that

the person across the table can really deliver what's promised. (Note: she

is not the only one, they're pretty common in business at this time in the

future.) Not an empath, by the way, but a proper, licensed (Psi-Corps,

Level 5) Telepath. Bound by all the regs of the P-C. No random scanning,

no access to the gaming tables, no unauthorized dipping, all deals must be

on record. A telepath peeping into someone's mind or emotions without that

person's permission (or that of the next of kin) can likely have his or her

license revoked. She's in her early 30s or late 20s.


Vorlon Ambassador Kosh Naranek:

Last, but not least, are the Vorlons. There isn't much we can SAY about

the Vorlons...because nobody KNOWS anything about them.


In the opening movie, everyone's awaiting the arrival of the fifth and

final ambassador (four if you don't count Sinclair) from the primary alien

governments. He is a Vorlon, a race we have tried, without much success,

to learn about ever since we first picked up their transmissions. Several

scout ships were sent on First Contact missions. All of them met with

unfortunate "accidents" upon entering Vorlon space. The Vorlons tendered

their most *sincere* apologies. And suggested no further expeditions.


Now, at last, with Babylon 5 becoming functional, and all of the other

ambassadors in place, it no longer makes strategic sense to continue in

their isolation. So the arrival of the Vorlon is a Big Deal. No human has

ever even SEEN a Vorlon.


And they play it right up to the hilt. The ambassador, Kosh Naranek,

maintains only audio contact with Babylon 5 as his ship makes the long

voyage, citing "problems" with audio. He clearly doesn't want to broadcast

the Vorlon face all over the quadrant. So no problem, after all, he has to

arrive eventually, and they'll see him then. Not quite.


The ship arrives. The Vorlon ambassador emerges from his ship...and well,

you see, he comes from a very different environment. Lots of methane and

CO2. Our atmosphere is poisonous to Vorlons. So he emerges wearing an

Encounter Suit...which covers every square inch of his body except for his

hands, assuming those ARE his hands, with a dark faceplate in the front.

The only place he can remove all of that is in his quarters, and there are

no vids in his quarters, no way to observe him or see his true face.


So...even now, no human has STILL ever seen a Vorlon.


The primary goal behind Babylon 5 is to do a show that is both good

sicence fiction and good televison. An SF series without cute robots or

kids. An SF series that is thoughtful, but which has action. An SF series

for grownups, with the same level of characterization and storytelling

found in such shows as Hill Street Blues or St. Elsewhere or L.A. Law.


In preparing Babylon 5 for production, a comprensive five year arc has

been created. Though stories will stand on their own in each episode, the

series overall will gradually tell a story on a much grander scale, a

tapestry of falling and rising empires in which one or two individuals may

mean the difference between a new dark ages on one side and a future of

hope on the other. In that respect, Babylon 5 will be treated as a

five-year miniseries, with a definite beginning, middle, and end, with each

year equalling one "chapter" or book in the saga. In that respect, it has

been likened by some to going for the broad tapestry of a Lensman or

Foundation series of books.


For more info about Babylon 5:


a) On the GEnie Science Fiction Roundtable, there is a Babylon 5 topic

where JMS talks with the fans about the show, both production and story

info. Most of the information in this FAQ came from this topic. It is

located at Page 470, Category 18, Topic 22. Archives of past messages are

availabe in the GEnie SFRT files areas.


b) Available on GEnie and Compuserve, in their respective science fiction

file areas, are GIF files of the Babylon 5 logo, and two pictures from the

computer animation.


c) Starlog: The September 1992 issue of Starlog has an article on Babylon

5. Note that the pictures used in the article either are very outdated or

have nothing to do with the show.

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