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Saturday, January 23, 2021

SFL Archives 1981: The Unicorn-Goat meltdown

 tldr: Back in 1981, one SFLer desperately wanted a unicorn-goat hybrid to be real.


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Date: 6 Apr 1981 09:28 PST

From: Chapman.ES at PARC-MAXC

Subject: The Evolution of Unicorns


With regard to doing research about Unicorns. . .a couple of

acquaintances of mine in the Berkeley area have done extensive

research on this subject. They came to realize that until the period

of the Renaissance, the Unicorn was pictured as a goat with one horn,

which only later turned into a horse with a horn. They reasoned that a

one-horned goat was much more likely to have been real, since goats do

have horns naturally. They then set out on a careful breeding plan,

and about two years ago, the first real, live unicorn was born on 

their ranch, and named Lancelot. Please do not take me for a kook. I

was very scepticle myself, but I saw and touched and played with

Lancelot at the Fantasy Worlds Convention held in Berkeley February of

this year. It seems that there may be something besides just genetics

involved, although that helps. When I asked Morning Glory, she said

something akin to Bonsai was also involved but would go no further

since their lawyer is trying to patent the process.


The point of this experiment which worked is that Unicorns, although

now considered mythical, really existed. They were, perhaps, sports,

probably rare.  But they have a reputation for being smarter than

others of their breed, and fiercer. Historically, mythically, they

were used as herd leaders, because they were better as defending the

group than their more normal counterparts. Several half-brothers and

half-sisters of Lancelot are expected to be born this spring, and the

people who are working with these unusual creatures will be starting

to show them around at some limited Science Fiction/Fantasy events. If

you are interested, I will try to dig up the address for writing for

more info. Please respond to me directly; if interest is high, I will

send the info to SF-LOVERS.


Cheryl

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Date: 6 Apr 81 12:11:24-PDT

From: mclure at Sri-Unix

Subject: concerning 'unicorns'


I, too, have seen this thing... at a local SF convention, and on t.v.

in the Bay Area. However, it seems more like a simple case of a couple

of charlatans (one named Morninglory, no less) pulling the wool over

people's eyes. It is unfortunate that they can sell so many doo-dads

and knick-knacks to naive people.


[ Lancelot has been mentioned in the digest before in issue 66 of

  this volume, Friday, March 13.  It was in connection with the

  San Jose Convention that was held at that time.  -  Jim ]

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Date: 7 Apr 1981 08:09 PST

From: Chapman.ES at PARC-MAXC

Subject: Re: The Living Unicorn


I take exception to your slur upon Morning Glory and her husband, and

your suggestion that they are charlatans. These are sincere people,

who are into mysticism, it is true, but just because you don't agree

with their world view doesn't mean you have to insult them. The things

they sell help support their research and are at least partly driven

by the desire of other people to own mementos of this unusual

creature. (When Lancelot appeared at the Fantasy Worlds Festival,

Morning Glory had to apologize for his appearance. Someone has snuck

into his pen and cut off huge hunks of his coat, apparently hoping to 

capitalize on the souvenir value this has attained. Morning Glory and

her husband were appalled. It had never occurred to them that they

were going to have to protect Lancelot from this sort of thing,

because they are hardly aware that such people exist. Yes, they

themselves are somewhat naive.) They are not charlatans ("one who

claims to possess knowledge or skill that he does not have," American

Heritage Dictionary). They do know how to create Unicorns, and are the

only people in thousands of years who have bothered to figure out how

to do this.


As I said before, I have played with Lancelot, touched him, examined

his horn.  It is a real, single horn, emanating from the center of his

head. It does have a slight depression in the vertical direction,

approximately where you would imagine two horns that had been bound

together would meet (remember that Morning Glory said something akin

to Bonsai was also involved), but the horn is a single, integral unit,

not two separate horns growing very close together. The animal is

real, and similar animals probably were real thousands of years ago.  

Whether they had any of the mystical powers attributed to them is

mote.  Unicorns are not myths.


Cheryl

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Date:  8 APR 1981 0832-EST

From: Marty c/o procep at MIT-AI

Subject: Unicorns and evolution


The unicorn obviously died out due to the attraction the males of the

species had for human females, which led them to neglect their female

counterparts of the unicorn species.  Not to mention that impregnating

with a horn is often fatal, and therefore not a survival trait.


Marty


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Date:  9 APR 1981 1039-PST

From: RODOF at USC-ECL

Subject: Unicorn making


     I'm not sure this is how they did it, but I'd like to contribute 

this little personal experience.

     When I was somewhat younger, it was finally decided that I should

have braces.  Since I wanted the things off before I went to college,

the orthodontist agreed to do a somewhat accelerated job, and finish

the job in a year, although I was warned that it would hurt more.  It

did.  My teeth were moved by the simple process of pulling or pushing

on them until they were in the right place.  The orthodontist

explained that by exerting a steady force on the tooth in one

direction, the jawbone on the leading side dissolved, and bone

reformed on the trailing side.  Apparently a very natural biological

process.

     I'm not saying that a goat's horn is a tooth, but there's a good 

chance that the structures are similar enough to work.  One horn was

probably removed (a common procedure on farms) and the other horn

slowly dragged over by some sort of harness.  I'd doubt very much that

it is two horns grown together, as I believe only the root and a small

central core of the horn is alive, and it would be difficult to make

them meld.  (any of your teeth joined together?)  Goat horns do have

natural ridges (always reminded me of the blood runnels in a sword)

and, from what I've seen of the critter on TV, it was probably filed a

bit to shape.

     Lancelot is awfully cute, but since MY personal image of the

Unicorn was always something grand, majestic, and powerfully

uncontained, I'll put off my souvenir purchase till the horse version

comes along.

                Rodof 

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Date: 10 Apr 1981 1539-PST

From: OR.TOVEY at SU-SCORE

Subject: making unicorns


        You \can/ make a unicorn by removing one horn and

transplanting the other to the center of the forehead; this has been

done before.  I don't know whether this is how Lancelot got to be a

unicorn or not.  His owners now claim otherwise (I may have been wrong

in saying that they didn't before); they say that he is a true

mutation and will breed true.  --cat 

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Date: 10 April 1981 04:31-EST

From: Neal Feinberg <NEAL at MIT-MC>

Subject:  The Evolution of Unicorns


Howdy!

        I would be very interested in the address of these people.


                                                --Chiron

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Date:  5 May 1981 14:58 edt From:  JRDavis.LOGO at MIT-Multics Subject:

Lancelot the Uni-Goat


From the Boston Globe, Tuesday May 5 1981 page 5


FACT, A FREAK, OR FAKE, HE'S PULLING A CROWD


Associated Press


Redwood City, CA - Though at least one professor doesn't believe it, two

Californians say the one-horned, cracker-eating goat they've bred

according to an "ancient secret" is a real, live unicorn.


Lancelot, a shaggy 1-year-old Angora goat, has one 10-inch horn growing

from the middle of his forehead, just like the creature of mythology.


"A 4000 -year-old legend," says one of the breeders, who calls herself

Morning Glory.  She and her husband, called Otter G'Zelle, claim to have

carefully bred the creature on their remote Mendocino County spread

after discovering a secret formula.


But Dr. Perry Cupps, a University of California animal science

professor, believes Lancelot is just a freak of nature, not a unicorn.


Cupps, who said that such abnormalities happened rarely, laughed at the

notion that breeders could make the central horn appear consistently.

"Remember that famous ... fellow who said a sucker is born every

minute?" he asked.


Freak, fake or fact, Lancelot is drawing admiring crowds of paying

curiosity seekers at Marine World, a combination zoo, aquarium, and

amusement park about 20 miles south of San Francisco.


The unicorn of ancient legend was generally part horse, part stag, and

part lion, with its horn considered to have magical powers as an

antidote to poison.  The creature is found woven into tapestry and

painted on shields.


Lancelot, for his part, is fond of oyster crackers and has been trainded

to heel, walk on a leash, jump through a hoop, bow, and lie

down on command.


Lancelot is produced from Angoran goat stock, but that's as far as the

naturalists will go in describing the process that created him.


"We quite literally stumbled across an ancient secret," Glory said,

adding that when the process has been patented, they will release it to

a scientific journal.


But Cupps says that the single horn in the middle of Lancelot's

forehead, which could grow to 2 1/2 feet, is a freak occurrence similar

to the development of a cyclops - a one-eyed being.


"The tissue that forms the eye starts to form in the center, then

migrates away from the center.  The horn does the same thing," he said.

"If something happens so the animal doesn't develop normally, then you'd

get a central one."


But Glory says, " We have a responsibility as scientists, romanticists,

and idealists to (protect) a 4000-year-old legend."


"Lancelot is quite a remarkable animal.  If he were human, you might say

he was a superman," she says.


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Date: 04 May 1981 1740-PDT From: Jim McGrath <JPM at SU-AI> Subject:

Naturalists Turn Fantasy Into Reality


    REDWOOD CITY, Calif. (AP) - Lancelot, a year-old Angora goat, sports

a solitary 10-inch horn in the middle of his forehead. His owners claim

they bred him using an ancient secret for unicorns, but an animal

science professor says the horn is just a rare abnormality.

    However Lancelot came by his horn, he is proving a popular

attraction at Marine World, a combination aquatic park, zoo and

amusement park about 20 miles south of San Francisco. Sightseers crowd

around his pen to gawk, snap pictures, and touch the fearsome horn that

may grow to 2 1/2 feet.

    ''There's a lot of people who say it's a hoax, that he's just a

one-horned goat, a freak, a fluke of nature,'' said Morning Glory, a

naturalist who claims to have bred Lancelot with her husband, Otter

G'zelle on their home in rural Mendocino County.

    ''To that we say, meet Lancelot and decide for yourselves,'' she

added. ''Lance is the message that wonder and beauty and hope are

available, and if you work hard enough, you can have them.''

    Lancelot, who has a shaggy white mane and cloven hooves, was

produced from Angora goats, which normally have two horns, but that's as

far as the naturalists will go in describing the process that spawned

him. The unicorn of ancient legend - as depicted in stories and on

tapestries - was generally part-horse, part-stag and part-lion, and its

horn was considered to have magical powers as an antidote to poison.

    ''We quite literally stumbled across an ancient secret,'' Morning

Glory said, adding that when the process has been patented, they will

release it to a scientific journal.

    ''We have a responsibility as scientists, romanticists and

    But Dr. Perry Cupps, an animal science professor at the University

of California at Davis, who saw Lancelot on television, considers him a

''congenital anomaly'' similar to the legendary one-eyedcyclops.

    ''The tissue that forms the eye starts to form in the center, then

migrates away from the center. The horn does the same thing,'' he said.

''If something happens so the animal doesn't develop normally, then

you'd get a central one.''

    Cupps said such an abnormality was rare and laughed at the notion

that breeders could make it appear consistently. ''Remember that famous

fellow who said a sucker is born every minute?'' he added.

    Sue Watkins, the 21-year-old Marine World animal handler who trained

Lancelot, said he is a frisky, intelligent beast who likes to sit on the

couch and munch oyster crackers.

    ''He loves to be in the crowd. Whenever there are lots of people

around, and something's happening, he wants to be there,'' said Ms.

Watkins, who taught Lance everything he knows.

    ''He's leash-trained, he can heel, lie down when you tell him to,

come to you when you want him to, jump through a hoop, take a bow, rise

up on his hind legs,'' she said.

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Fun factoids: 

The Morning Glory and her husband mentioned in the above posts are Morning Glory Zell-Ravenheart & Oberon Zell-Ravenheart. Besides patenting a goat-horn surgery process, https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US4429685.pdf , Morning Glory & her husband created a church of Neo-Paganism, and established an actual school of Wizardry, which can be found at  https://www.greyschool.net/

Monday, September 7, 2020

SFL Archives Vol 03 readthrough update 03

-Dell killed off their entire scifi publishing line, including the prestige labels. 

2020 sidenote: Thought this was a result of end-of-year price bumps not getting the sales targets Dell was aiming for. Looking slightly behind the scenes circa year 2020 vision (ha), it seems that the Dell Publishing buyout by DOUBLEDAY had entered "asset stripping mode", maybe to help Doubleday payoff debt from another recent Doubleday acquisition, the NEW YORK METS baseball team.

-EXCALIBUR (1981) the movie came out, and the SFL archive has been full of "I am not angry, I am super-angry that the movie did not adhere 100% to The Whole Book of King Arthur and of His Noble Knights of the Round Table", or "Hey Arthurian myth has lots of forms and versions, why you so mad?" and "Read more <arthurian myth> dumbasses, the movie adapted multiple arthurian sources", etc.

-Despite live-posting the first attempted manned launch of the Space Shuttle program, absolutely no one seemed to give a f**k when Columbia launched successfully two days later, and landed successfully 2 days after that. Instead it was "What ever happened to the Space Shuttle named Enterprise?" /"It's the prototype test Shuttle, it might get turned into a real boy real Space Shuttle if Congress funds it" Spoilers unneeded, Congress did not fund it. 

-I apparently spoke too soon about people not giving a f**k about the first manned Space Shuttle landing. At least 3 SFL subscribers ran into each other at the 1st manned Space Shuttle landing exhibition and recognized each other from overhearing references to a recent SFL verbal meme. This email took a week plus after being sent to finally appear in the SFL mailing list.

-the MENSA ad opened the gateway, and barely disguised product review advertisements have started to creep into the SFL mailing list.

-Newcomers to the SFL mailing list being confused by cryptic messages and unknown acronym usages, and ironically confusing people by their use of unknown acronyms.

-Massive amount of requests for "DOWN IN FLAMES", which circa 1981, had only seen print in a discontinued fanzine (Trumpet #10)

-A "Deaf people are scifi fans too. How about some scifi stories rec's/radio transcript adaptions for deaf people?" request got some very ugly feedback before SFL posters just started to list fiction with deaf aliens/aliens that have no concept of sound. Not a great moment for the SFL archives to be honest.

-Harlan Ellison demonstrates his skillz by writing a short story in the "show window of the B. Dalton Bookstore on Fifth Avenue" live from a image suggested by a person onsite.

-Twenty days worth of scifi themed juvenile fiction chat in the SFL archives means I'm finally dropping juvenile series names that SFL archive posters grew up reading. DANNY DUNN, SPACE CAT, MUSHROOM PLANET, etc. Eleanor Cameron was very highly regarded by SFL posters. Most of the juvenile series would be cartoons today, with the Danny Dunn series being a very very close match to Disney's Phineas and Ferb.

-sexbots, gynoids, heinlein stories, words with *-trix endings (all these are connected)

-Gene Wolfe's BOOK OF THE NEW SUN books start getting discussed.

-Lancelot the goat-unicorn got mentioned a few more times, and so did it's owners/creators. Morning Glory was big into the Aleister Crowley/Donald Trump school of belief that "press mentions are life, bad publicity is better than no publicity at all", and apparently showed up to one fantasy-scifi convention wearing only white body-paint saying that she was a giant bottle of correction fluid.

-you don't talk about Fight Club in public SF-LOVERS, HUMAN-NETS, or any of the Large Mailing Lists directly in any form whatsoever.

[ Everyone planning to meet at NCC '81 should please take care not

to mention SF-LOVERS, HUMAN-NETS, or any of the Large Mailing Lists

directly in any form whatsoever. To do so would violate the

security of these lists, threatening their existence. Rather, it

has proved effective at past conventions to simply post notices

directing people to REDACTED@REDACTED, REDACTED@REDACTED, or REDACTED group.

Please take care to be cryptic so that people who do not know about

the Large Lists will remain ignorant. - REDACTED ] 


it was full-bore '50's/60's/70's juvenile print and multimedia entertainment nostalgia chat until RotLA came out, and even then it took CLASH OF THE TITANS (1981), SUPERMAN 2(1981) and DRAGONSLAYER (1981) to derail juvenile entertainment nostalgia chat. Finally RODOF, the twice doxxed son of Dr Robert Forward, came forward (terrible pun but I'm keeping it) to end Vol 03 on a creepy note [Subject: Hymen Hijinx].

-RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK chat was mainly angrily posting unfavorable reviews of RotLA, arguing whether Belloq ate a fly during the Bazooka-Indy standoff, seeing C3P0 & R2D2 in wall inscriptions of the buried city of Tanis, everyone saying that Indy shooting the swordsman got the highest audience reaction, and then trying to break down why in SMG/BotL style, followed by infinite seeming waves of punny RotLA sequel concept titles.

-Clash of Titans chat included 2 profiles of Ray Harryhausen, wooden acting, not sticking to Greek myths as understood/remembered, slams about Harryhausen's work, body doubles...all in all; the people who were the most vocal about Excalibur 1981 (mentioned in earlier Vol 03 recaps) were also the most vocal posters about Clash of Titans.

-Nothing big on Superman 2 chat other than long-exposed to public awareness behind-the-scenes drama involving Donner and Superman 1/2. Dragonslayer 1981 mostly got mentioned for the early CGI/first generation digital optical efforts in it, then...

-RODOF made a series of posts about [Subject: Hymen Hijinx]...........in Dragonslayer (1981). Everywhere you think those RODOF posts probably went re: [Subject: Hymen Hijinx], Yup, you are correct. Bonus correctness points go to people whom also predicted "I wasn't being serious in my earlier posts, I was only joking BUT....".


originally posted between July 3rd - July 6th in the SomethingAwful forums Science Fiction Fantasy Megathread 3

SFL Archives Vol 03 readthrough update 02

 In my recaps of reading the SFL archives, I tend to not mention: outdated science/physics chat, FTL travel vs STL chat, scifi tv series episode listings, topical scifi/fantasy movie reviews or topical scifi/fantasy book reviews, identify-this story for me requests, childrens tv programming of the 50's/60's/70's chat, religion debates, Hugo/Nebula award nominations + award winners chat, "what is the Force" debates?, and the many listings of upcoming global scifi conventions/results of just finished global scifi conventions.


-Vernor Vinge's age of cyberspace TRUE NAMES came out and was reviewed favorably by most SFL members. Douglas Adams 1st & 2nd HITCHHIKERS GUIDE TO THE GALAXY series books were released in the US, and had less favorable reviews. No one has really discussed Gene Wolfe's 1981 CLAW OF THE CONCILIATOR or 1980 BOOK OF THE NEW SUN so far, but things might change.

-Back in 1981, Lucas Films and NPR collaborated to make a radio drama out of STAR WARS: A New Hope the movie with Mark Hamill (which maybe kickstarted Hamill's prolific voice-acting career) & Anthony Daniels (C3PO), plus a bunch of ringers. As a moderate Star Wars fan, the existence of the 1981 Star Wars radio drama, and spoiler alert the existence of the other original SW trilogy radio dramas got memory-holed harder than David Proust, the body-actor of Darth Vader

-A profile of Ralph Bakshi, 1970s-80s cartoonist I mostly remember for the unsettling-blobby artwork in Bakshi's Lord of the Rings movies. Bakshi promoted his other animation efforts, including a movie about black America called....uh even posting the movie name will end in a probe so just look it up yourself or if that's too much effort, think of the "badly aged Eric Cartman super-hero persona" and uh make it more racist.

e: I was remembering the unsettling and blobbly artwork from Rankin/Bass animatted movie efforts like the HOBBIT 1977, not Bakshi's work.

-Larry Niven's DOWN IN FLAMES, the 1968/1977 unofficial abandoned conclusion to the Known Space/Ringworld series finally got described in detail Everything you know about the Known Space setting is a hoax. Down in Flames discussion was interesting enough that I read it myself, and no bullshit it is better than everything Niven proceeded to write about the Ringworld and Known Space setting for the next 8 books.

If you do choose to see Down in Flames as Known Space/Ringworld canon, you can safely abandon the Ringworld series after the 1st Ringworld book aka Ringworld 1970, while the remaining Known Space stories written after 1978 sort-of fit if you don't think too hard about timedates. 

-biology chat becomes the running topic of the fortnight, with DNA encoding, scifi stories about DNA encoding, goats=unicorns (which I will come back to), etc

-MENSA membership gets pimped in the SFL for the first time I can remember. The MENSA membership ad gets a faint sneery tone when mentioning alternate methods of qualifying for MENSA membership (combined SAT results or combined GRE results over certain scores will get you in under limited membership status)

-DolphinF**cker is against proposals for "permanent" assignation of phone numbers to people, for *wink* privacy reasons. *wink*

-the SFL liveposted the first manned Space Shuttle launch attempt on April 10 1981. Keyword being: attempt.

-A reposted article from the Baltimore Sun newspaper brings the 1st mention of space borne telescopes into the SFL archives. These space borne telescopes (due to be launched in 1985) will have sensors/cameras that might be able to detect extrasolar planets

(2020 sidenote: those extrasolar planet detecting methods mentioned in the article are still being fine-tuned today/2020 time period.)

-SPECIES movie fans will find Fred Hoyle's 1975 novel A FOR ANDROMEDA uses an eerily similar setup, but Hoyle's book series fails to implement H.R. Giger and instead goes with a deep-state conspiracy.

-the goats=unicorns thing.

Someone I didn't bother bookmarking posted about recent studies of medieval documents/myth had lead to scholars thinking that references to unicorn were really references to one-horned goats. Chapman.ES promotes his friend from the Berkeley area named Morning Glory who showed off a unicorn-goat named Lancelot at the February 1981 Berkeley Fantasy Worlds Convention. When asked about Lancelot the goat-unicorn, Chapman.ES said that Morning Glory and her husband mentioned a careful breeding plan that two years ago resulted in Lancelot. Additionally......something akin to Bonsai helped out, but Morning Glory couldn't go into more details because they were trying to patent the process.

(emphasis mine)

People replied back to Chapman.ES mentioning common farm practices of de-horning livestock. And then other people ran with that and suggested maybe two goat horns got fused together in Lancelot's case, or maybe shortly after birth, one horn got removed totally with the other horn bud moved/shifted over. Chapman.ES flipped the fuck out and went full "I take exception to your slur upon Morning Glory and her husband, and your suggestion that they are charlatans. These are sincere people, who are into mysticism, it is true, but just because you don't agree with their world view doesn't mean you have to insult them."....and so on for another 70-90 lines.

-Didn't think I'd find something to top Bakshi's hyper badly aged 'black america in the south' animated movie within less than 24 hrs, however someone in the SFL mentioned that H Beam Piper's LITTLE FUZZY was ripping off a earlier story.....and they weren't making things up.

A semi-famous World War 2 french resistance member slash author wrote "LES ANIMAUX DENATURES" or "YOU SHALL KNOW THEM" in it's english language translation.

story recap: tribes of "missing link" hominids are found in the jungles of new guinea, and exploited as an cheap workforce similar to "war with the newts". Scientist-perverts or just normal perverts discover that the missing link hominids <ugh> can get pregnant with <ugh> human sperm <quadruple ugh>. One of the scientist-perverts impregnates a missing link hominid with his sperm then kills the baby once it is born; under the reasoning that the ensuing trial will determine if the missing link hominids are human (and therefore deserve human rights) or not.

Adding to the weirdness/wtf factor, a Burt Reynolds movie called SKULLDUGGERY is a loose adaption of "les animaux denatures". 


originally posted between July 1st- July 3rd in the SomethingAwful forums Science Fiction Fantasy Megathread 3