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Monday, June 21, 2021

SFL Archives Volume 21b readthrough

 SFL Archives Volume 21b

4.7 mb raw text file

100% completion, 385 bookmarks

Movies, television shows referenced: INDEPENDENCE DAY, RED DWARF (tv-series), POLTERGEIST THE LEGACY (tv-series), SLIDERS (tv-series), NEVERWHERE (tv-series), OUTER LIMITS (tv-series), PHENOMENON, THE NUTTY PROFESSOR 1996, OSIRIS CHRONICLES, BARB WIRE, MULTIPLICITY, THE FRIGHTENERS, ERASER, THE VISITORS, THE FIFTH ELEMENT, HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME 1996, DARK SKIES (tv-series), WARPED IN SPACE, SWAMP THING (tv-series), XENA WARRIOR PRINCESS, FOREVER KNIGHT (tv-series), HOMEBOYS FROM OUTER SPACE (tv-series), THE ARRIVAL, ESCAPE FROM L.A., ISLAND OF DR MOREAU 1996, THE PRINCESS BRIDE, THE REAL ADVENTURES OF JONNY QUEST (tv-series), BONE CHILLERS (tv-series), MR STITCH, SPACE JAM 1, LOST IN SPACE 1998, THE CAPE 1996 (tv-series), BOGUS, THE CROW 2, THE PRETENDER (tv-series), STAR TREK DEEP SPACE NINE (tv-series), BABYLON FIVE (tv-series), STAR TREK VOYAGER (tv-series), STAR TREK 30TH ANNIVERSARY SPECIAL, STAR TREK FIRST CONTACT, HIGHLANDER THE TV SERIES, THEM, EARLY EDITION (tv-series), PUMPKIN HEAD 2, MILLENNIUM (tv-series), X-FILES (tv-series), ADVENTURES OF SINBAD (tv-series), ALIEN NATION: THE ENEMY WITHIN, STARGATE SG-1 (tv-series), JOHNNY SOKKO AND HIS FLYING ROBOT (tv-series), CONTACT, STANLEY KUBRICKS A.I., ODYSSEY (tv-series), ASTEROID, MARS ATTACKS.


SF&F stories referenced: THE DRAGON AND THE UNICORN, TEHANU, WIND FROM A FOREIGN SKY, BLUE MARS, THE FIRE DUKE, MAGE HEART, OTHER DAYS OTHER EYES, SHAPECHANGERS WIFE, RESURRECTION MAN, RELUCTANT VOYAGERS, INFINITE JEST, BUTTERFLY KID, WAR OF THE WORLDS: GLOBAL DISPATCHES, TAMULI, THRESHOLD, GOSPEL OF CORAX, WAY STATION, ARTIFACT, WILD SEED, THE LONG HUNT, DUTCHMAN, ANVIL OF STARS, BRIGHTNESS REEF, FOREIGNER, THE WATERBORN, DRUM WARNING, HIGHER SPACE, RINGWORLD THRONE, AUTOMATED ALICE, RINGSTONES, LURE OF THE BASILISK, SHADE AND SHADOW, ENCOUNTER WITH TIBER, TREKS NOT TAKEN, SQUARES OF THE CITY, THE FORTUNATE FALL, FORTRESS IN THE EYE OF TIME, WHEN GRAVITY FAILS, THE DUBIOUS HILLS, CELESTIAL MATTERS, LIONS OF AL-RASSAN, WIZARD OF THE PIGEONS, MURDER IN THE SOLID STATE, CADRE LUCIFER, THE TEN TON SNAKES, PASSAGE TO DAWN, ZOD WALLOP, HOLY FIRE, CLOUDS END, RAPTOR RED, ONE FOR THE MORNING GLORY, STARTIDE RISING, THE KILLING GAME, THE SUN THE MOON AND THE STARS, PSALMS OF HEROD, GUARDIANS KEY, BOOK OF ENCHANTMENT, THE KILLING STAR, GOOD OMENS, THE TWO GEORGES, STONE AND FLUTE, HEADCRASH, DEAD GIRLS, ARMED MEMORY, SLOW RIVER, DAGGERSPELL, VIRTUAL DEATH, HAPPY POLICEMAN, THE BASTARD PRINCESS VOLUME 2, CAMELOT 30K, THE PRINCESS BRIDE, WINTER TALE, HUMPTY DUMPTY: AN OVAL, REIGNING CATS AND DOGS, DANCING VAC, EARTHFASTS, BIMBOS OF THE DEATH SUN, SILVERLOCK, THE INTEGRAL TREES, TERMINAL EXPERIMENT, CONVERGENCE, ARCHANGEL, 1945, PATTERN FOR CONQUEST, ETERNAL LIGHT, A BREACH IN THE WATERSHED, ISLAND IN THE SEA OF TIME, DRAKON, BLUE SHIFTING, IN CONQUEST BORN, FALLING ANGEL, STARPLEX, CHRONICLES OF HAWKLAN, THE UNKNOWN SOLDIER, TEN THOUSAND LIGHT YEARS FROM HOME, SHANGRI-LA: RETURN TO THE WORLD OF LOST HORIZON, THE RETURN, ONE MINDS EYE, LIVE FROM GOLGOTHA, THE WEIRD COLONIAL BOY, SHADOWS OF ECSTASY, GORGON CHILD, LEGACY, BEST OF JAMES BLISH, WITCHLIGHT, THE MAN IN THE HIGH CASTLE, DISTRESS, GLORY SEASON, WALKING THE LABYRINTH, IDORU, WAITING FOR THE GALACTIC BUS, DEATHSTALKER, THE TRUTH MACHINE, THE REALITY DISFUNCTION, QUIET POOLS, BESERKER, RAPTURE, THE WHENABOUTS OF BURR, THE FUTUROLOGICAL CONGRESS, A FIRE UPON THE DEEP, FREE LIVE FREE, FISHERMANS HOPE, GOLDEN WITCHBREED, TRAVELLING WITH THE DEAD, BLADERUNNER 2: THE END OF HUMAN, FAIRYLAND, SPARROW, NIGHT LAMP, GRUNTS, STRANGER IN A STRANGE LAND, THE BAKERS BOY, THE LONG RUN, EMERALD EYES, THE LAST DANCER, GORMENGHAST, ECOTOPIA, CITY OF DIAMOND, TIMEMASTER, COYOTE BLUE, LOVE AND SLEEP, CHAIN OF ATTACK, GOJIRO, A WALK IN THE SUN, BLAMELESS IN ABADDON, HOGFATHER, CALLAHANS LEGACY, ALONGSIDE NIGHT, GANYMEDE CLUB, RISE OF ENDYMION, DIAMOND AGE, MAN WHO FOLDED HIMSELF, IMMORTAL ENGINES, VOYAGE, AGAINST A DARK BACKGROUND, INFINITYS SHORE, LAW OF BECOMING, NANOTECH CHRONICLES, THE BIG U, SNOW CRASH, PARIS IN THE TWENTIETH CENTURY, OTHERLAND, DEATH GATE, FEERSUM ENDJINN, SPOOKER, FACETS, MATHEMAGICS, QUICKER THAN THE EYE, THE HASHISH MAN, KEEPER OF THE KING, THE LAW OF LOVE, A GAME OF THRONES, A GAME OF UNIVERSE, ZOTHIQUE, EMPIRE OF THE PETAL THRONE, DEVILS TOWER, WORLDWAR: STRIKING THE BALANCE, MADOUC, EMPIRE OF THE ATOM, THE MOTION OF LIGHT AND WATER, CRYSTAL EXPRESS, GALACTIC GOURMET.

 Pop culture references: the GWAR concert at Dragon*Con 1996, Samurai Cat paintings by Mark Rogers, Ms. Magazine, Dilbert comic strip, Super Mario Bros, Choose Your Own Adventure books, DC COMICS Vermillion, EMPIRE OF THE PETAL THRONE (Tekumel rpg), Natalie Portman. 

Technology callbacks: WING COMMANDER 4, America Online's Hatrack, July 1996 Rutger University computer network re-org, ELF format, the SFL mailing list moderator going through another round of terrible outcome SF-LOVERS server system upgrades, the CGI in the 1996 movie MARS ATTACKS being cheaper than physical stop-animation puppetry work.

Death notices: Mark Lenard, SFF tv actor. Carl Sagan, American scientist.

SFL requests/discussion topics:

> Re: Lin Carter

> Dragon*Con '19...another successful year

> Re: Foundation series

> Re: Lin Carter

> Re: Van Vogt -spoilers

> Re: Michael Moorcock

> Re: Review RGB Mars (Kim Stanley Robinson MARS trilogy)

> Re: help Saberhagen vampire?

> Re: Illuminati series

> Re: Is Hubbard a respected author?

> Re: U. L. Le Guin, Earthsea stuff

> Re: George R R Marin - any good?

> Nine Princes in Amber influenced by Chandler?

> Re: Sherri S. Tepper and empathy

> Re: Captain Sulu in Voyager

> Re: Dick-Man in the High Castle

> Re: Sector General: what do the letters mean?

> Re: Robert Howard other heroes

> Anime Weekend Atlanta 96 Review

-Ben Aaronovitch, future author of the RIVERS OF LONDON urban fantasy series starts posting to the SFL Archives. Aaronovitch mostly comments on and picks apart things in CJ Cherryh's FOREIGNER series

(2021 note: Ironically, many of the complaints and issues 1996's Ben Aaronovitch is finding with the FOREIGNER series are present in Aaronovitch's RIVERS OF LONDON series)

-SFF Author Lawrence Watt Evans repeatedly tries dunking on/owning SFF fans with his insider knowledge, but fails to connect on any of his "ownage" attempts. SFF author Robert J Sawyer drops off the face of the SFL Archives after winning multiple SFF genre awards in 1996. SFF Jo Walton is becoming extremely fixated on the mil-scifi DRAKA series, especially the DRAKA elements about artificial childbirth/forced impregnation/mind control.

(2021 note: LWE stuff is funny, Jo Walton's fixation on DRAKA and it's many forms of non-consent is memorable for the out-of-nowhere-totally unprompted rant on childbirth/having children Jo Walton delivered to a in-progress SFL Archives discussion on how multiple SFF had independently started using artificial womb tech to avoid writing women characters/patch up plot holes a few SFL Archives Volumes ago)

-A SFLer marvels at how John Brunner incorporated elements of a world series chess match between Russian MI Tchigorin & American W Steinitz, and asks the SFL Archives if anyone has a full transcription of that chess game

(2021 note: Nobody publicly responded back to that SFLer. Mildly curious to see that chess game transcription too.)

-The SFF MAGEWORLDS series is notable mostly because it appears in retrospect to have been the alternate HEIRS TO THE EMPIRE choice if LUCASFILMS hadn't signed a multi-book contract with Timothy Zahn.

-A few SFLers are confused and slightly horny about the growing lesbian overtones in the SFF tv-series XENA WARRIOR PRINCESS

-BIMBOS OF THE DEATH SUN a SFF murder mystery story about SFF conventions gets mentioned again, and some SFLers are still very notMad about the contents in it. 

-A discussion of PKD's THE MAN IN THE HIGH CASTLE that is so confusing and lit-crit filled I have no idea what anyone is talking about, even after 5+1 attempts at it.

-More SFLer's want to describe out the mechanics of lesbianism and homosexuality left unwritten in David Brins GLORY SEASON

-Much confusion about Ivy Press and who owns the reprinting rights to Jame's L Halperin's THE TRUTH MACHINE

(2021 note: This conversation is interesting because as of 1996 there was at least 3 registered & bonded book publishing brands with variations on the name "Ivy Press")

-Nobody can agree or figure out the ending of Gene Wolfe's first novel FREE LIVE FREE

-SFLers start discussing what Barrayar in Bujolds VORKOSIGIAN series is based on. Early consensus seemed to be Ruritania/PRISONER OF ZENDA before lit-crit SFLers started chiming in

-SFLers are unable to take anything in BABYLON 5 episode 'Grey 17 is Missing' seriously. From the gay bath-house vibes of the hidden males-only religious cult to everything involving Garibaldi and his standoff with the 'perfect predator'. SFLers feel 'Grey 17 is Missing' is one of the worse things J. Michael Straczynski has ever written.

(2021 note: SFLers of 1996 commenting on BABYLON 5 have fallen out of hero-worship mode with J. Michael Straczynski. Too many "well actually" explanations that JMS changed his mind on to retell & present himself in a better light and way too many JMS tantrums when SFLers predicted his plot twists and inspirational sources) 

-More Daniel Keys Moran stupidity. The lies and promised DKM made earlier have failed to play out, so DKM has issued new lies about his CONTINUING TIME stories that will fail to happen. SFLers who really enjoy THE LONG RUN form a DKM-DefenseSquad and start proclaiming how every detractors tune will change once the contract with Del Rey Books is finalized and signed, and two new CONTINUING TIME books drop within months next year.

(2021 note: Seeing a new DefenseSquad form up was amusing, more amusing was knowing it would take an additional 17+ years for DKM to eke out (in serialized form) the 2 CONTINUING TIME books he's being hyping since 1994.) 

-SFLers start publishing copyrighted reviews of STAR TREK: FIRST CONTACT. tldr summary, most of them find it stupid as hell, worse than GENERATIONS so far, and find that the suddenly uncontrollable emotions chip in Data 110% gimps his character

-Another SF-LOVERS mailing list moderator mea-culpa trying to explain the latest round of week+ downtime of the SFL Archives mailing list. This time it's the mailing list moderator deciding to upgrade the data format used to store the SFL Archives, then finding out the new data format is NOT supported on the year+ old Linux Kernel the server uses, then the new kernel failing to detect the storage controllers holding the SFL Archives data disks, etc, etc etc.

-A 1996 SFLer asks the question "Who would pay for $5 for a 200 page novel?"

(2021 note: TOR Books currently charges $10-$12 for 170 page novellas)

-Alexei Panshin posts to the SFL Archives giving a very sanitized reason why he has written any new Anthony Villiers stories in 28+ years. Panshin notes that his contract with the publisher paid $1500 for the first edition printings, and then $3000 for the 2nd edition priting, and that he couldn't and still can't support his family on that kind of money. 

-EMPIRE OF THE PETAL THRONE (Tekumel rpg) & it's associated novels come up again in the SFL Archives. This time, SFLers note what Tekumel books and RPG sourcebooks are still in print, M.A.R. Barker's IRL profession and interests, and note the reason why M.A.R. Barker probably uses initials vs his full legal name.

-Harry Knowles review of MARS ATTACK includes the weird details of watching MARS ATTACKS on opening day while sitting next to a total stranger who really enjoyed MARS ATTACKS. And then after the movie was over, Harry Knowles leaving the theater with his family only to encounter that same stranger shot dead in the parking lot.

(2021 note: WTF?)

-Now that the original DOCTOR WHO (tv-series) has been safely dead and buried, Doctor Who actors like Lalla Ward feel safe enough to start relating details of how John Nathan-Turner was a terrible showrunner/executive producer. 

Thursday, May 27, 2021

SFL Archives Volume 21a readthrough

 SFL Archives Volume 21a

5.0 mb raw text file

100% completion, 312 bookmarks

Movies, television shows, etc referenced: FOREVER KNIGHT (tv-series), CITY OF LOST CHILDREN, BATMAN AND ROBIN, SCREAMERS, SEAQUEST DSV (tv-series), EARTH 2  (tv-series), HYPERNAUTS (tv-series), BABYLON 5 (tv-series), SPACE ABOVE AND BEYOND (tv-series), AMERICAN GOTHIC (tv-series), HIGHLANDER THE TV SERIES, THE SENTINEL (tv-series), LAWNMOWER MAN 2, STARSHIP TROOPERS 1, 12 MONKEYS, GENERATION X, SPELLBINDER, SPACE CASES (tv-series), CONTACT, THE OUTER LIMITS (tv-series), NOWHERE MAN (tv-series), STAR COMMAND, SLIDERS (tv-series), THE WANDERER (tv-series), THE SECRET WORLD OF ALEX MACK (tv-series), MARY REILLY, MUPPET TREASURE ISLAND, GHOST IN THE SHELL, LIQUID SKY, ALIENS IN THE FAMILY (tv-series), JOURNEY TO MARS, INDEPENDENCE DAY, STAR TREK: DEEP SPACE NINE (tv-series), STAR TREK: VOYAGER (tv-series), KINDRED: THE EMBRACED (tv-series), THE OSIRIS CHRONICLES, HACKERS, POLTERGEIST THE TV SERIES, HYPERNAUTS (tv-series), THE ODYSSEY (tv-series), PETER JACKSON'S KING KONG, A.P.E.X., WITHOUT WARNING, ALIEN 4 RESURRECTION, COAST TO COAST (radio),  SALVAGE ONE (tv-series), SUPERNOVA, THE CRAFT, BARB WIRE, CASABLANCA, DRAGONHEART, MARS ATTACKS!, DOCTOR WHO: THE TELEVISION MOVIE, MYSTERY SCIENCE THEATER 3000: THE MOVIE, THE WIND OF AMNESIA, MISSION IMPOSSIBLE 1996, THE ARRIVAL, DARK SKIES (tv-series), THE PRETENDER (tv-series), ANNIHILATOR, CRASH, JAG (tv-series), PRISONERS OF GRAVITY (tv-series), ISLAND OF DR MOREAU, THE PHANTOM, UFO (tv-series), BLAKES 7 (tv-series), RED DWARF (tv-series), LA JETTE.

SF&F stories referenced: CETAGANDA, STONE OF TEARS, THE REALITY DISJUNCTION, SAGA OF RECLUSE, THE BLOODY RED BARON, PROTEKTOR, SEA WITHOUT A SHORE, FIRE UPON THE DEEP, THE KILLING STAR,SFBC SFF ENCYCLOPEDIA, THE SHEEP LOOK UP, DJINN RUMMY, HEADCRASH, SONG OF GAMBLER PHAID, THE PSALMS OF HEROD, THE MURDERED SUN, THE ETERNAL MERCENARY, EXCESSION, USE OF WEAPONS, DISTRESS, REPLAY,ASSASSINS APPRENTICE, ROSE MADDER, MAGNIFICAT, THE LIGHT OF OTHER DAYS, SWORD OF BHELEU, QUEEN OF ANGELS, STARTIDE RISING, MIDSHIPMANS HOPE, OATHS AND MIRACLES, ANUBIS GATES, BLUE MARS, ASHES OF EDEN, THE DIAMOND AGE, INTERFACE, CLIPJOINT CONFUSION, LOST WORLD, BRANCH POINT, WHEN HEAVEN FELL, TWO CROWNS FOR AMERICA, THE DISPOSSESSED, GUN WITH OCCASIONAL MUSIC, THE DAY IS NIGHT, STATUS QUOTIENT: THE CARRIER, WEREWOLVES OF LONDON, MR ADAM, HOLE IN THE HOLE, HALF THE DAY IS NIGHT, CHINA MOUNTAIN ZHANG, THRESHOLD, THE BLUE STAR, RESURRECTION MAN, DRAKON, DRAKA, REUNION ON NEVEREND, AMTRAK WARS, SALMON OF DOUBT, FIREFLY, GLORY, GOD-MAN, GLITTERING STONE, THE MACE OF SOULS, RICHTER 10, WIZARDRY UESTED, WILDSIDE, THE STAR FRACTION, A CANTICLE FOR LEIBOWITZ, FORAGERS, THE FACES OF SCIENCE FICTION, PRIMARY INVERSION, ORCA, GREEN EYES, ENDYMION, PROCESSING THE SIMILACRA FOR FUN AND PROFIT, STRIKING THE BALANCE, DOOMSDAY BOOK, THE MOONHARE, A MAN BETRAYED, BEGGARS AND CHOOSERS, INFERNO, SECRETS OF THE WITCH WORLD, KILLER STAR, THE TWO GEORGES, REMNANT POPULATION, THIS IS THE WAY THE WORLD ENDS, THE WINE OF VIOLENCE, KEEPERS OF THE HIDDEN WAYS, THE HACKER AND THE ANTS, HOT SKY AT MIDNIGHT, MISTRESS OF MISTRESSES, TIGANA, VIDEO STAR, OF THUD AND BLUNDER, GRAVITY, HARM'S WAY, DRASTIC DRAGON OF DRACO TEXAS, MARTIAN DEATHTRAP, ASSEMBLERS OF INFINITY, ENCOUNTER WITH TIBER, HONOR AMONG ENEMIES, CONSIDER PHLEBAS, CITIES IN FLIGHT, MERIDIAN DAYS, RINGWORLD THRONE, RESUME WITH MONSTERS, THE TIME SHIPS, CELESTIAL MATTERS, LEFT TO HIS OWN DEVICES, HISTORICAL CRISIS, THE TERMINAL EXPERIMENT, WITCHES OF KARRES, GENETIC SOLDIER, DEMON IN THE SKULL, PIRATES OF THE UNIVERSE, MUSHROOM PLANET, THE GUNSLINGER, NIFFT THE LEAN, THE CHOSEN, EYE OF ARGON, THE UPLIFT WAR, THE FORTUNATE FALL, JUSTICE CITY, EDGEWORKS: THE COLLECTED ELLISON VOL 01, PANDA RAY, THE LITTLE COUNTRY, ALWAYS COMING HOME, THE GREAT DIVORCE.

Pop culture references: a pre-Internet fame Harry Knowles starts posting to the SFL Archives, a pre-Internet fame Mr Skin starts posting to the SFL Archives, Famous Monsters of Filmland magazine, Compuserve Science Fiction and Fantasy Literature Forum, the Del Rey Internet Newsletter, the Slim Jim Racing Team, Society of Combustion Engineers, the alternative convention newsletter WRATH OF GHU at Evolution Con 1996, Milli Vanilli lip-synching at concerts, the New Hackers Dictionary, Lurkers Guide to Babylon 5, listening to Art Bell's COAST TO COAST, as "accurate as a SCUD missile". 

Technology callbacks: Solaris 2.5,USEnet newsgroups, Ziff Davis Net, GEnie, multi-user HERETIC + DOOM + WING COMMANDER 4, RealAudio, the Nintendo 64 version of STAR WARS: SHADOW OF THE EMPIRE, Windows 3.1, Casio QV-10 digital camera, Laser Printers, Microsoft Access, whatever a "salami scam" is in the novelization of the 1995 movie HACKERS, the various Rainbow cover colored publications of the NSA & the DOD, Altavista Internet search engine and DejaNews, book publishers saving money by using huge oversized type fonts for Hardcover editions of SFF novels so the same printing films can be reused for the paperback editions.

1996 Death notices: Walter Michael Miller Jr, SFF author. Brian Daley, SFF author. Bob Shaw, SFF author. Elsie Wollheim, co-founder of DAW Books and SFF Futurian founding member. Jon Pertwee, film/stage/tv/radio/3rd DOCTOR WHO actor.


SFL requests/discussion topics:

> Not for Kids! (SFF material)

> 1996 Hugo Award nominations

> Re: Gordon R. Dickson

> Re: Foundation series - so what's the big deal?

> Re: Whatever happened to author "Steven Boyett"?

> Chapter House Dune: anyone understand it?

> Re: Heinlein's books

> Drakon (Stirling) question--extremely minor spoilers

> Re: Firefly (P. Anthony)

> Re: Banks: Mandate for SC?

> Re: Darkover novels

> Re: 12 Monkeys Ending (Spoiler) "insurance"?

> Re: A Canticle for Leibowitz

> Re: H. Beam Piper stories

> Re: Donaldson: Thomas Covenant Series

> WHY THIS WILL BE MY LAST MINICON

> MINICON 1996 Drama

> EVOLUTION CON 1996

> Roland Castle vs the World

> Re: Metropolitan magic (was Re: Walter Jon Williams)

> Glen Cook Black Company: questions about the Taken

> Re: What is it about Tigana?

> Re: Voyager shuttles fleet!

> Re: Con trends

> MAY: A list of Current Fanzines

> Re: Maureen Birnbaum

> George Alec Effinger on why his novel GRAVITY hides it's New Orleans setting.  

> Re: [FANHIST} Changes in Fannish Culture

> Re: Banks Consider Phlebas -- what does the title mean

> Boulle's Other Books?

> Re: What the hell happened to Barry Malzberg?

> Re: Alfred Bester: His later books 

> Re: (C.S.) Lewis redux

> Re: Tarzan(?!?) of Mars


-First mention of DOOM the 1993 FPS game having a movie adaptation in the works.

(2021 note: The DOOM movie would eventually come out in 2005.)

-<U616@wvnwm.wvnet.edu> makes a joking not joking plea for the UNABOMBER to bomb the NBC Studios buildings in California for the terrible crime of NBC having greenlit and aired episodes of SEAQUEST DSV, and EARTH 2.  

-SFF magazines ANALOG & ASIMOV's SCIFI along with Alfred Hitchock Mysteries, Ellery Queen Mysteries and every other magazine published by Dell gets sold to a holding company called Penny Press.

-Multiple conflicting reviews of Magnum Opus Con 10a. Some people attended it just for the raves and house parties and the extreme adults only content, others attended MOC10a for the SFF convention elements.

(2021 note: I looked up MOC10a because it was full of extreme drama and skeeviness. MOC10a's organizer had a Donald Trump addiction to attention and had a death grudge vs Ed Kramer and vs DragonCon. Fancyclopedia has informed me that Ed Kramer, one of the founders of DragonCon, has been a convicted sex offender since 2000.)

-A tv movie called SPACE COMMAND produced by Melinda Snodgrass, and virtually everyone in the SFL Archives busts on the many manyterrible bits in it like the hackneyed dialogue and the good/evil color coding setup, and oh yeah a really badly miscast Morgan Fairchild who was mainly notable in STAR COMMAND for her skintight clothing and multiple outfit changes.

-A very very special SFLer re-posts George RR Martin's comments on SLIDERS the tv-series vs GRRM's never-picked up tv-series pilot DOORWAYS from GEnie. tldr version: GRRM is extremely not-mad about SLIDERS existence and is considering lawsuits. 

(2021 note: GRRM was extremely mad about SLIDERS existence and I will repost GRRM's comments in a standalone post. The SFLer who reposted GRRM's comments is Gharlane of Eddore, a "get off my SFF lawn/screamer at clouds" contrarian who loves GRRM so much I have now started thinking Gharlane is a sock-puppet account of GRRM or that Gharlane is Chip Hitchcock, the SFL Archives first Internet troll-village idiot, posting under a new name to avoid backlash over their management of BOSKONE 24.)

-Forrest J Ackerman gives his side of the story about losing control of the FAMOUS MONSTERS OF FILMLAND SFF-Horror magazine. FJ Ackerman is extremely mad about losing control and madder about their articles in that magazine being rewritten by people who weren't even born when Ackerman was a SFF-Horror fan.

-"this is a typical cycle - male author gets old and writes bizarre sex ramblings"

-STAR WARS REMASTERED, the first clips of STAR WARS 1977 "The way George Lucas always intended it to look" start coming out and STAR WARS deprived fans are beyond happy.

(2021 note: The infamous re-cut of HAN SOLO SHOT FIRST is not included in the teaser clips LucasFilms has been showing to journalists or big-name STAR WARS fandom publications.) 

-Lots of 1996 Convention discussion. MOC10a had the most drama and drama-causing people, MINICON 1996 had major issues, Evolution 1996 seemed chill. The surprisingly deep decisions involved in making SFF Convention badges got discussed, libertarian SFLers want all info shared including hotel name + hotel room numbers (very skeevy and worrying for female SFF fandom), others want fields for SFF names, etc. Best font sizes for badges, good long test names for badge fonts, etc. SFF guidelines for little (5 yrs old or less) at SFF conventions, Security guards being assholes and hassling SFF convention attendees, COSPLAY costume drama, etc. ROC of AGES 1996 was notable for being a entirely new SFF convention 100% funded by a SFF fan that won the lottery and featured Roland Castle throwing multiple attention seeking hissy fits.

-Establishment of the SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY HALL OF FAME, hosted at the University of Kansas, USA.

-First mention of Peter Jackson's KING KONG being in production.

-DHALGREN fans being instantly identifiable at SFF Conventions by their orchids and "other adornments".

-NO PERSON WHO GREW UP IN CANADA HAD EVER WON A HUGO OR NEBULA AWARD UNTIL THE 1995 NEBULA AWARDS.

-The flip-book animation of a spaceship exploding inside hardcover printings of HONOR AMONG ENEMIES.

-SFLer's discuss the overt references to CASABLANCA in the Pamela Anderson movie BARB WIRE.

-Extremely deep discussion of the 1996 Charlie Sheen movie THE ARRIVAL. The SFLers who hate it find fault with the technology used in it, especially the crowd-sourced satellite dish antennas, while the portion of SFLers who know radio astronomy actually liked the film and found the technology feasible and real, especially the crowd-sourced satellite dish antennas.

-David Drake delivers an ice-burn regarding SM Stirling's writing when discussing THE CHOSEN, a book co-written by Stirling and David Drake..."the point of the book was to teach Stirling how to write a book in which the bad guys *lose*", and the resemblance to the Draka was fully intentional on his part(Drake did a 20k word outline that Stirling expanded out into a novel).  

-Periodic Daniel Keys Moran discussion. Star Trek Voyager allegedly ripping off a DKM submitted spec-script. Daniel Keys Moran's literary agent that is in talks with Bantam Books suddenly switches to "Daniel Keys Moran has no relationship with Bantam Books anymore", no explanation given. Daniel Keys Moran claims to have two new CONTINUING TIME series books ready for publishing with minimal delay.

(2021 note: It would take over a decade for the next CONTINUING TIME book to be published.)  

-And finally thought I would just re-quote the following posts in full:

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Date: 27 May 1996 19:40:53 GMT

From: djheydt@uclink.berkeley.edu (Dorothy J Heydt)

Reply-to: sf-lovers-written@Rutgers.Edu

Subject: Re: Banks' Consider Phlebas -- what does the title mean?


Dean K Rizer <rizer001@maroon.tc.umn.edu> wrote:

>- What does the title _Consider Phlebas_ allude to? ...


It's part of T. S. Eliot's _The Waste Land_ (1922).  Since no one else has

quoted the section, I shall:


                            IV. Death by Water


        Phlebas the Phoenician, a fortnight dead,

        Forgot the cry of gulls and the deep sea swell

        And the profit and loss.

                                  A current under sea

        Picked his bones in whispers.  As he rose and fell

        He passed the stages of his age and youth

        Entering the whirlpool.

                                Gentile or Jew

        O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,

        Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.


_The Waste Land,_ which is rife with explanatory footnotes, gives none for

this section.  It is foreshadowed, however, in a passage in Section I where

a clairvoyant gives a Tarot reading saying, "Here is your card, the drowned

Phoenician Sailor, (Those are pearls that were his eyes.  Look!) ... Fear

death by water.")


Now you know as much as I do; nay, rather, you know more, since I have

never been able to read Mr. Banks.


Dorothy J. Heydt

University of California

Berkeley

djheydt@uclink.berkeley.edu     

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Date: 19 Jun 1996 13:47:48 -0400

From: daa@seachang.demon.co.uk (David Allsopp)

Reply-to: sf-lovers-written@Rutgers.Edu

Subject: Iain Banks -- Excession


My, I haven't felt so smug since last year's Babylon 5 series' final

episodes were shown here first.


I've just come back from having my copy of "Excession" signed by the

author, and I even managed time for a brief chat.  Contents of chat follow,

spoilers/comments for the book itself to follow when I've read it - a

couple of days at most.  I'm paraphrasing the conversation of course, but

I'm pretty sure I'm not misinterpreting.


Me: "Given that the typical Culture citizen (hah! now *that's* an oxymoron;

     Ed.) lives about 400 years, with death being regarded as something

     that gives meaning to life (see "A FEW NOTES ON THE CULTURE",

     sf-lovers archives), how does this apply to Minds?  And drones of

     course."


IMB: "I feel that they're beings with a much longer lifespan.  I'd expect

     Minds to go away, or disappear up their own beatitude, or something,

     after about 20,000 years.  Of course, the Culture's only been around

     for about 10,000 years..."


Me: "Will we have to wait another 4 years for the next Culture book?"


IMB: "I have a contract for 2 mainstream and 2 SF, but what the SF will be

     depends on how the ideas come.  Both, one or neither could be Culture

     books.  I do find the big ships, big laser cannons and so of the

     Culture very appealing though."


Me: "Do we meet any old friends in _Excession_?"


IMB: "No, but there's always a wee reference somewhere to things that have

     appeared in other books."


Er, that's it.  The photographer arrived, and I thought of another 500

questions on the way back :-(.  Oh well, at least I get to read the book.


David Allsopp

Aran Ltd.

daa@seachang.demon.co.uk

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Tuesday, May 11, 2021

SFL Archives Volume 20b readthrough

 SFL Archives Volume 20b

4.6 mb raw text file

100% completion, 206 bookmarks

Movies, television shows referenced: JUDGE DREDD, SPECIES 1, DARKMAN 2, WATERWORLD, STANLEY KUBRICKS A.I., LORD OF ILLUSIONS, AFTERSHOCKS, VIRTUOSITY, THE NET, SPEED 1, HELLRAISER 4, HIDEAWAY, THE AMAZING PANDA ADVENTURE, OUTER LIMITS (1990s), DOCTOR WHO, DEADLY GAMES, STRANGE LUCK, SPACE ABOVE AND BEYOND (tv series), LEGENDARY JOURNEYS OF HERCULES, XENA WARRIOR PRINCESS, TOP COPS, NOWHERE MAN (tv series), LOIS AND CLARK, SEAQUEST DSV, THE X-FILES, AMERICAN GOTHIC, W.E.I.R.D. WORLD, ALIEN NATION: BODY AND SOUL, STRANGE DAYS, HALLOWEEN 6, FROM DUSK TILL DAWN, SHOWGIRLS, STARSHIP TROOPERS 1, POWDER, GODZILLA VS THE SMOG MONSTER, INVADERS (tv series), WING COMMANDER: THE MOVIE, SCREAMERS. 

SF&F stories referenced: KALIEDOSCOPE CENTURY, WIZARDS SHADOW, SOUL OF THE LION, FAMOUS MONSTERS, INITIATE BROTHER, GATHERER OF CLOUDS, EVOLUTION, RESURRECTION MAN, STEEL BEACH, THE MOHOLE MENACE, OUT OF THIS WORLDS, HOMECOMING, RING OF SWORDS, SKIN, FATHERLAND, FLIES FROM THE AMBER, COELISTIS, DEAD MR MOZART, ROBOT CITY (book series), DHALGREN, AXIOMATIC, GREATWINTER SAGA (book series), 1945 (novel), BUTCHER BIRD, THE BASTARD PRINCE, PURAGTORY, THE BIG U, ZAP GUN, A SORCEROR AND A GENTLEMAN, THE ARMLESS MAIDEN, THE AVATAR, NEW LEGENDS, THE LAST STARSHIP FROM EARTH, SECRET IMMORTALS, LOVELOCK, GENELIAN: PLANETFALL, HITLER VICTORIOUS, RATS AND GARGOYLES, KING AND RAVEN, COMING HOME, WELL AT WORLDS END, A BREACH IN THE WATERSHED, THE RUINS OF AMBRAI, ICEWIND DALE TRILOGY (book series), PASTEL CITY, DYING INSIDE, SHOTGUN CURE, THE WEREWOLF PRINCIPLE, FIFTH HEAD OF CEREBUS, THE KO CONSPIRACY, VAMPIRE$, CINNABAR, PRISONERS HOPE, WOMAN WITHOUT A SHADOW, GUILTY PLEASURES, ISOBEL AVENS RETURNS TO STEPHNEY IN THE SPRING, MILLENIUM, THE BIG TIME, THIS PERFECT DAY, WINTER ROSE, THE SARDONYX NET, THE DEATH OF CHAOS, GRYPHON FEATHER, THE STOLEN GODDESS, THE MIRROR OF HELEN, THE PRESTIGE, CLARKE COUNTY SPACE, HUNTING WABBIT, THE AMTRACK WARS (book series), THE MISPLACED LEGION, I ASIMOV, BRIGHTNESS REEF, THE POSTMAN, EREHWON, WRACK AND ROLL, WIZARDS FIRST RULE, AMMONITE, THE LAST OF THE WINE, THE STAR FRACTION, TERMINAL FREEDOM, SPECULATIONS INC, THE GOLDEN NINETIES, D-99, FOOTFALL, IROSHI, ISLANDS IN THE NET, YOU CAN GO HOME AGAIN, STAR OF THE GUARDIAN, CITY OF BONES, ELEMENT OF FIRE, SHRODINGERS CAT TRILOGY (book series), FREE LIVE FREE, CONSIDER PHEBLAS, HEADCRASH, QUASAR, THE WITCHES OF KARRES, THE COLOR OF DISTANCE, WHAT MAD UNIVERSE?, CHICKS IN CHAINMAIL, THE GOD-FEARER, EVOLUTIONS SHORE, PHOENIX AND MIRROR, BAKERS BOY, THE BLOODY RED BARON, SHADOWS END, A FIRE UPON THE DEEP, TRUE NAMES AND THE OPENING OF THE CYBERSPACE FRONTIER, HEIRS OF EMPIRE, HISTORY OF FANNISH ART, ENDYMION, MASKERADE, FREEZE FRAMES, HOT TIME IN OLD TOWN, GATE TO WOMENS COUNTRY, BELGARATH, THE CRYSTAL STAR, CANDLELIGHT, EXILES, HISTORICAL GAMES, A SONG CALLED YOUTH. 

Pop culture references: "..our culture's Madonna-whore complex" (from a SFLer review of SPECIES 1), alt.sex.stories, a whole field of metaphysics devoted to the study of memes, the VOYNICH MANUSCRIPT, 1990's pop culture's fixation on the 1960s, BORDERS bookstores, the standard price of a paperback SFF novel being $5.99, "Minneapolis-based gothic folk-duo THE FLASH GIRLS, "van Dannikin-style cults", the Carnegie Mellon Tartan college newspaper, a cancelled 1995 (OJ) Simpson interview on NBC, GODZILLA BATTLES GAMERA IN OSAKA.

Technology callbacks: a virus protection program called GateKeeper being referenced in the 1995 movie THE NET, floppy disks, Video Toaster CGI rendering, BITNET networking, David Wingrove of Chung Kuo series co-authoring a MYST the CDROM game novelization, AOL.COM SFF web portals, the etaoin shrdlu keyboards on Linotype machines, the Martian Chronicles CDROM game. 

1995 Death notices: John Brunner, SFF author. Jack Finney, SFF author & SFF-Horror scriptwriter.


SFL requests/discussion topics:

> Baudino: series

> Roger Zelazny

> Sex in Mercedes Lackey Novels

> The amazingly weird plotlines in the JUDGE DREDD comics

> The publishing ethics of Larry Niven, Piers Anthony, etc

> L. Ron Hubbard

> Dan Simmons HYPERION series 

> David Weber/Honor Harrington

> David Wingrove/Chu Kuo defense squad posting

> SF adapted to comicbook format

> Gregory Benford works

> ???Piers Anthony??? Good Books?

> L'Engle's books banned??

> Computer Sentience

> Philip K. Dick and why's he so great?

> Nicola Griffith's AMMONITE

> What Happened to John Norman and the Gor Books

> (Larry) Niven Starter Request

> Martha Wells books

> Gene Wolfe discussion

> Harlan Ellison Vapor-books

> Sime/Gen series

> (Greg) Bear Does Not Suck 


-People start commenting on how extremely messed up John Barnes KALIEDOSCOPE CENTURY is. When the iron-gutted people of SFL Archives 1995 think a SFF story is deeply messed up, it is going to be extremely beyond deeply heavily messed up by 2021 SFF standards.

-The six dreaded words that doom many reading attempts in fiction: "I DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THESE PEOPLE".

-Throughout the history of the SFL Archives, this question has been asked more times than anything STAR WARS or STAR TREK or BABYLON 5 related.......Does anyone know what happened to David Palmer, author of EMERGENCE/Did David Palmer write a sequel to EMERGENCE?

-Periodic HONOR HARRINGTON book series discussion. Mostly notable for 3rd party hearsay of Weber having signed a 16 book contract with BAEN BOOKS sometime in late 1995, and the existence of the "DO NOT KILL LIST" for certain Honorverse side characters.

-Russian SF: A Candid Recent History explaining why most of the Russian SFF published during the 1990s is reprintings of Russian samizdat era SFF.

-DRAGON-CON 1995 & the 1995 NASFIC conventions were scheduled together to run at the same time and same site in Atlanta Georgia USA. SFLer NASFIC attendees were not prepared for the amount of games & comics at DragonCons & the lack of handicapped access, and most everyone noted the bad culture between DragonCon managed panels/artwork sales vs NASFIC managed panels/artworks. Some of the more hysterical NASFIC SFLer's swear they witnessed pornstars giving autographs in the dealers room/saw hardcore porn being sold in the dealers room. Other more stable SFLer's noted the alleged "pornstars giving autographs" were B-Movie stars and the tapes were B-Movies.

-LYONESSE aka Ermonie aka Parmenia being the legendary lost land between Cornwall UK and the Scilly Isles in lots of UK folklore & myths, which many SFF authors have implemented in their own stories. 

-WORLDCON 1995 aka INTERSECTION 1995 happens and no-one who attended it was happy. The site choosen for Intersection 1995 was a massive compromise/test to see if the bid committee behind Intersection 1995 could actually reserve a site of such a size, the site was massively handicapped unfriendly at all levels, beyond terrible Worldcon event scheduling, ultra beyond terrible placement of Worldcon events, unfriendly convention venue staff. Unfriendly security guards, hotels blocks apart, hotel party corkage fees, and the disconnect between USA style convention parties with free food and the EU/UK convention goer reactions to "free food" convention parties (hoard of vultures descending and elbows being thrown like being in a rugby match at the free food tables got mentioned hard). Finally, the Intersection 1995 management people tried shaming local aka "living in the UK" convention attendees into volunteering extremely hard during convention id signins, demotivating many casual UK SFF fans while managing to piss off a bunch of dedicated hardcore UK SFF fans. Plus something about the filk room having a superb rendition of the American Princess Cat Song.

-SPACE ABOVE AND BEYOND premieres and many SFLers post about it. SAAB is one of the vaguely remembered SFF tv-series that I have been waiting to see appear in the SFL Archives. Many SFLers tear apart the pilot episode & first two normal episodes of SAAB, pointing out various things that don't make sense. (The F-18's, non USMC haircuts, the short boot camp for pilot-commandos, the tankee clone underpeople, the viewpoint character being a massive fuckup, et). Some SFLers gradually warm up to SAAB over the fall/winter of 1995, while others continue to rip it apart. 

-Neil Gaiman headlining a COMIC BOOK LEGAL DEFENSE FUND event to fight censorship at the Palace of Fine Arts in San Francisco CA USA  on Halloween 1955.

-Notes on the 1995 WSFS Business Meeting Report.

-First mention of the upcoming 1996 Olympic Games to be held in Atlanta Georgia USA. 

(2021 note: Distant echoing horns played in my mind when the 1996 Olympic Games got mentioned. Wondering what the SFL Archives reaction will be to the domestic terrorist bombing of the 1996 Olympic Games and the heroization then demonization of Richard Jewell by CNN.)

-David Feintuch returns to the SFL Archives to respond to various SFLers comments on his SEAFORT SAGA series. Turns out Feintuch was massively depressed when he originally wrote the series, so he wrote what he knew and and made the main character in his SEAFORT SAGA series a massively unstable person that kept screaming at people wanting to help/stopping people from doing basic spaceship safety related things, then always pulling a "IF ONLY I HAD KNOWN!! (not to scream at people wanting to do their spacejobs)" later on. Supposedly Feintuch wrote all 4 Seafort stories at once before getting a publishing contract, and alleged Seafort was much much worse/way more unstable in the original versions of the SEAFORT SAGA stories that Feintuch wrote.

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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 95 03:39:33 -0500

From: Dave Feintuch <midave@delphi.com>

Reply-to: sf-lovers-written@Rutgers.Edu

Subject: Re: Prisoner's Hope by David Feintuch


Don Croyle <croyle@fwi.com> writes:

>Yes.  The foreshadowing is more heavy handed and Seafort is still having

>major self esteem problems.

 

   Seafort's self-esteem problems were so much a part of the original

writing (remember all four books were completed before the series was

bought) that it was impossible to remove it completely, even though by the

time Prisoner came out, I had toned it down considerably.

 

>One nice thing is that it's set mainly on a planet so we see more of the

>background society in general.  Looks to me like even in this world

>Seafort is considered to have an overdeveloped sense of responsibility.

 

   Absolutely.  But I never claimed he hadn't...  :) It is one of his flaws

that he can;t seem to do much about.

 

   Hope you liked it.

 

Dave Feintuch

MIDAVE@DELPHI.COM

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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 95 03:46:33 -0500

From: Dave Feintuch <midave@delphi.com>

Reply-to: sf-lovers-written@Rutgers.Edu

Subject: Re: Prisoner's Hope by David Feintuch


John Peterson <jpeterso@panix.com> writes:

>I don't know what it is about these books.  The last two have been real

>depressing, but I just couldn't put them down.  Am I alone in this?

 

   Interesting... Things were not going all that well in my life when I

wrote this.  (See the preface to the Science Fiction Book Club edition for

elaboration.)  The depression, which fits in with the story, seemed quite

natural to me at the time.

 

>I think Seafort makes Thomas Covenant look like Mr. Self Esteem.

 

   Hehe.  As I've mentioned elsewhere, I DID tune down the lack of self

esteem considerably from the early versions.  He was a complete basket

case, as originaly written.  I think, though, that you'll see where all

this is headed when you read the final novel, FISHERMAN'S HOPE.  There is,

believe it or not, a reason for his feeling as he does.

 

Dave Feintuch

MIDAVE@DELPHI.COM

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-Slight weirdness over who originally published the M John Harrison story ISOBEL AVENS RETURNS TO STEPHNEY IN THE SPRING, with Ellen Datlow offering corrections on it's published history.

-Rutgers University, hosting site of the SFL Archives mailing disables BITNET networking support.

(2021 note: BITNET was a 1980's New England regional computer network.)

-Weirdness about Allen Steele writing HUNTING WABBIT in response to fanzine criticism, and the best way to annoy Allen Steele at SFF conventions

(2021 note: Call Steele Jonathan Frakes/ask for Frakes autograph or point behind him and yell "It's Steve Brown and he's GOT A GUN!")

-XENA WARRIOR PRINCESS the TV series continues to win over SFLers initially doubtful over it. The horniness factor for Lucy Lawless keeps coming up.

-I ASIMOV revealing that Isaac Asimov and Robert Heinlein loathed each other personally, but kept it professional and never discussed their personal views at SFF events.

-SFL Archives reviews of David Brin's BRIGHTNESS reef bringing up references to "van Dannikin-style cults" ??

-Heavy discussion of Nicola Griffith's AMMONITE and gender roles and sexuality, etc.

-What Happened to John Norman and the Gor Books? brings up that John Norman alleged had a No Editing clause on his books published by DAW Books up until new upper management came in at DAW Books.

-"The rastafarian who becomes a death machine by eating yogurt" in Bruce Sterling's ISLANDS IN THE NET.

-Absolutely no-one being able to predict the ending in Gene Wolfe's FREE LIVE FREE from it's opening chapters.

(2021 note: I have never read FREE LIVE FREE so the mention of it's ending involving "giant secret plywood propeller-driven airplanes that have been cruising around in the upper atmosphere since World War 2" sounds utterly insane.)

-An Iain Banks interview where Iain describes the inspiration for the title and plot of CONSIDER PHLEBLAS sounds amazing, but the original link at Iain Banks website shared to the SFL Archives is long-dead.

(2021 note: Think I found the interview:  https://synergetics.io/phlebas/text/banksint02.html )

"Phelbas is the drowned Phoenician sailor in T.S. Elliot's `The Waste Land' which is my favorite poem, if you exclude Shakespeare. Not that I like what Elliot stood for, but he was a genius and `The Waste Land' is his masterpiece. Well, his and Pound's, also of iffy political leanings. I just always like the words, `Consider Phlebas'. They looked good, they sounded good. They just looked like a title somehow. I tried all sorts of titles for the story before I settled on Consider Phelbas, but they all sounded too much like Star Wars. I knew it was a weird title but I though well, if it works it'll just become right for the book. I put in the bit about the sea-change - when Horza is undergoing a Calvin-like transmogrification on top of the crashed, awash shuttle - and in a sense, the whole book is just a yarn about a shipwrecked sailor who falls in with a gang of pirates and goes in search of buried treasure, so the quote-cum-title seemed to fit, and the idea was to hint at a tragic stature to Horza and at a kind of futility." 

-Possible hearsay about Fredric Brown allegedly typing a bunch of his stories on a Linotype machine versus a normal typewriter, because allegedly that's what he was most familiar with due to his early career as a Linotype typesetter.

-SFLers start discussing THE WITCHES OF KARRES stories, and no lie, the Witches of Karres books sounds like one of the rare mil-scifi story series that aged gracefully in the decades since they first came out.

-The Ted White edited issues of Amazing and Fantastic being house-fire disasters/massively entertaining.

(2021 note: I have no damn idea.)

-GODZILLA BATTLES GAMERA IN OSAKA which is a anecdote of the body-actors wearing the GODZILLA & GAMERA kaiju suits cage-fighting during a Osaka Expo convention around the time GODZILLA VS THE SMOG MONSTER came out.  

(2021 note: GAMERA came on strong but GODZILLA won...something about the Gamera kaiju suit being really damn heavy.)

-BucConeer convention aka "Baltimore WorldCon in 1998 Inc." officially becomes a 501c(3) non-profit educational organization.

-Something about D West's (SFF artist) HISTORY OF FANNISH ART article being so outrageous that LAGOON 7 (a fanzine) spent half it's space defending/explaining the HISTORY OF FANNISH ART article.

-Organizers of the ConCom 1995 convention issue a alert to be aware of the wording in your contracts with hotels hosting SFF conventions/SFF convention venues. Aim for "24 hour use", not "24 hour access" in your contracts. ConCom 1995 also had Filksong drama.

(2021 note: My hatred of filksong & filksong chat remains strong.)

-Being published by ZEBRA BOOKS apparently being a scarlett letter situation.

-Daniel Keys Moran and his always moving goalposts of bullshit excuses. As of September 1995, DKM claimed his latest novel, PLAYERS: THE AI WARS has 30 edit notes left and expects it to be published in 1996.

(2021 note: It took until 2011 for THE AI WARS part 1 to be self-published by DKM.)

Then later on when asked why EMERALD EYES, THE LONG RUN, and THE LAST DANCER haven't been reprinted by Bantam Spectra like he said they would be, DKM moves his bullshit excuse goalposts again to now claim that Bantam Spectra is waiting until they have THE AI WARS manuscript in-hand before doing reprints, and that his literary agent is waiting to hear back from Bantam Spectra.

(2021 note: Half expecting it to turn out that DKM's wife was also his literary agent in addition to her previous jobs as a Bantam Spectra talent scout/Bantam Spectra contract negotiator/Bantam Spectra book editor.)



Saturday, April 24, 2021

SFL Archives Volume 20a readthrough

SFL Archives 

3.7 mb raw text file

100% completion, 138 bookmarks

Movies, television shows referenced: A PRINCESS OF MARS (movie), MAKING OF STAR TREK VOYAGER, SEAQUEST DSV (tv-series), OUTBREAK, GODZILLA VS MOTHRA, GODZILLA VS MECHA-GODZILLA, TANK GIRL, SPECIES 1, BUGS (tv-series), SLIDERS (tv-series), VR5 (tv-series), VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED (1995), XENA WARRIOR PRINCESS(tv-series), HERCULES THE LEGENDARY JOURNIES(tv-series), WATERWORLD, LANGOLIERS (tv-series), DEADLOCK ESCAPE FROM ZONE 14, WHITE DWARF (tv-series), CASPER (1995), LIFEFORCE (1985), JOHNNY MNEMONIC, BATMAN FOREVER, PRINCE OF DARKNESS, THE THING (1982), DOCTOR WHO (1996)..

SF&F stories referenced: THE SECRET OCEANS, THE SPIRIT RING, A PRINCESS OF MARS, MATTERS END, MIDSHIPMANS HOPE, 20TH CENTURY COMPUTERS AND HOW THEY WORKED, THE SURVIVORS, WIZARDS FIRST RULE, TRIPOINT, THE SWORD, STRANGE DAYS, DARKOVER LANDFALL, GLORY SEASON, INTERFACE, LITTLE BIG, GREENTHIEVES, THE PAPER GRAIL, TOMORROW SUCKS, SUPERHEROES, ALIEN SHORES, FUTURE QUARTET, SHERLOCK HOLMES IN ORBIT, SCIENCE FICTION IN THE 20TH CENTURY, PERMUTATION CITY, THE COUNTRY OF THE BLIND, THE DYKE AND THE DYBBUK, TOURISTS, PRIMARY INVERSION, VILLAINS BY NECESSITY, RANDOM ACTS OF SENSELESS VIOLENCE, WHITE QUEEN, WEST OF EDEN, WINTER IN EDEN, THE ORDER WAR, VURT, WAKE IN DARKNESS, PORCELAIN DOVE, THE MOUNTAINS OF MAJIPOOR, FIRES OF EDEN, PICTURES AT 11, NOBODYS SON, PROFITEER, RELUCTANT VOYAGERS, A CASE OF CONSCIENCE, INTERRUPT, FLYING DUTCH, KALEIDOSCOPE CENTURY, BEGGARS AND CHOOSERS, PAWNS DREAM, LES GALAXIALES, ONLY FORWARD, APOLLO 13, THE UNUSUAL LIFE OF TRISTAN SMITH, AMMONITE, THE DIAMOND AGE, HEAVY WEATHER, FICTIONAL SPACE ESSAYS ON CONTEMPORARY SCIENCE FICTION, FLATLANDER, CITY OF BONES, WARLORD OF ANTARES, WALKING ON GLASS, MOONWISE, RAGGED WORLD, METROPOLITAN, WHO GOES THERE? 

Pop culture references: "reminds me of George from Seinfeld. Both the reader and the character know that the lie is going to foul up somehow, but the character goes on and tells it anyhow.", Wing Commander 3 CD "acting", "fang dealers" at SFF conventions, 

Technology callbacks: Pentium 90 CPU's, "negotiations with CD ROM game maker Legend", putting up a new kernel & tweaking TCP timeouts, installing dosemu, Telecommunications Devices for the Deaf (TDD), "I KNOW IT SAYS FTP, AS THE FILES ARE AT AN FTP SITE. BUT IF YOU ENTER THE LOCATION..", 2 terrible Ringworld PC games, RealAudio software.

1995 Death notices: Ian Ballantine, founder of multiple book publisher companies. Roger Zelazny, SF&F author.


-SFL Archives Vol 20a starts off with the mailing list moderator stating the various hardware and software upgrades planned for the server that runs the SF-LOVERS mailing list. Drastic cutbacks on the frequency of sending out SFL Digests are planned. At the 10% in Vol 20a, the SFL Archives comes back from 2 months of unplanned downtime (massive hardware failures), and experiences another couple of "mini" one-week outages throughout Vol 20a.

-Defenders of Jack Chalker appear, and try to explain away all the involuntary body-transformation/gender swapping/creepy sex scenarios inside Jack Chalker's stories since Well World book 1 back in 1977.

-New management has taken over on the literary estate of Edgar Rice Burroughs. Disney and the ERB estate are mentioned as working on a movie adaptation of A PRINCESS OF MARS.

(2021 note: It will take until 2012 for the much delayed A PRINCESS OF MARS movie adaptation to come out under the title JOHN CARTER (of Mars).)

-Frank Herbert discussion and the Dune series discussion. SFLers try to figure out what the face-dancers at the end of Chapterhouse Dune were planning, and are confused/not-confused by the Golden Path/The Scattering.

-A SFF convention experience blogger whose gimmick is being French-Canadian, posting half of their reviews of SFF conventions/panels/party rooms in American English, and the other half in Québécois.

-This quote could literally describe 90% of the most popular SF&F series of the 1980's & 1990's, however "seems to be a tendency to substitute torture for character building".

-There was another April Fools/April 1st SFL Archives joke this year. Essentially it was a digital POKEMON GO battle-royale based on various long-time SFLers posting styles. E. Leeper REVIEWS A BOOK. Gharlane of Eddore RANTS about a SFF tv-series, etc. 

-SFLer's start discussing Harry Harrison's EDEN fantasy book series which features a alternate timeline where dinosaurs not got wiped by a mass extinction event 66 million years ago, and have evolved into humanoid shapes and starting to interact with early homo sapiens. Some like the thought put into the various dinosaur genetic engineering/bio-technologies, others are creeped out by the lizard/human sex in the first EDEN book.

(2021 note: Harry Harrison wrote one of my favorite books ever. However even as a Harry Harrison fan, his EDEN series is a safe series to skip over. Aka DO NOT READ THEM. I WARNED YOU.)

-SFF author Daniel Keys Moran appears to accuse Paramount Studios/STAR TREK VOYAGER producers of ripping off a spec script he pitched directly to Star Trek producers back in 1993.

(2021 note: Looked this up because Daniel Keys Moran has reliably been proved to be full of shit whenever he posts. The spec script DKM pitched to Paramount/Star Trek producers ended up as the basis for STAR TREK: DS9 season 4 episode "Hard Time". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_Time_(Star_Trek:_Deep_Space_Nine) )

-Lists and lists of mailing server lists serving various interests as of March 1995 - May 1995.

-The Franklin Mint ripping off the creator/being involved in lawsuits with the creator of the rulesets for STAR TREK TRI-DIMENSIONAL Chess Sets.

-Someone tries critiquing James Blish's A CASE OF CONSCIENCE, and gets every single detail wrong in it. 

(2021 note: Sadly that impressive shit-posting effort does not get any responses posted to the SFL Archives.)

-L Sprague De Camp starts getting discussed and the people making arguments towards De Camp being good/salvaging the legacy of certain titles (CONAN THE BARBARIAN) make good sense.

-David Feintuch starts responding to the SFL Archives about his MIDSHIPMENS HOPE/SEAFORT SAGA series about various questions/concerns/homages to Horatio Hornblower SFLers have been discussing.

-John Barnes KALEIDOSCOPE CENTURY comes out, and nobody really feels or sees anything wrong with it intially. One or two SFLers note the vileness of the main character, the weird obsession with memes/social communication tools, but that's it.)

(2021 note: KALEIDOSCOPE CENTURY pioneered the term "SERBING" into SFF fiction. Do not look up that term unless you wantto read real life horror and war-crimes.)

-One usage for Harry Turtledoves alt-Civil War fiction stories, they redeem certain mega-fuckups of the US Civil War by.

(2021 note: Google US Civil War & the Crater for one of the really terrible mass-death mega-fuckups of the US Civil War.)

-Noted SFL shitposter Gharlane of Eddore makes a series of spectacularly wrong predictions about what upcoming tv-series XENA WARRIOR PRINCESS will be about. 

-Something about the dreaded CHTHON AWARD which I'm not going to even bother writing a year 2021 aside about.

-A whole bunch of tv series get cancelled. Space Precinct, Sliders, VR5, Earth 2, Langoliers, and fans of those cancelled tv-shows immediately start sharing mailing addresses of TV network executives in efforts to grass-roots renew those cancelled tv shows.

-A few SFLers try to man-explain the "real story" behind Apollo 13's explosion to the rest of the SFL Archives.

-OMNI magazines switches to a quarterly release schedule. 

-Cyberpunk fanzine CHEAP TRUTH gets mentioned again, with various SFLers trying to define what is "cyberpunk", and who wrote/writes cyberpunk stories.

-Heavy Robert Adams discussion, especially the hearsay factor behind the narrator of Adam's HORSECLAN setting trying to describe things to a audience decades and decades later.

-Harlan Ellison on journalists: "I am not a journalist! I do not give blow-jobs to chickens!"

-GOR series discussion. Fans of GOR bring up that many of the most popular 1980s & 1990s SFF stories are deeply more fucked up than John Norman ever got, and that GOR novels are still selling well.

-Alfred Bester discussion. WHO HE, THE COMPUTER CONNECTION, Bester burning out hard, etc.

-BABYLON 5 stuff. Insanely huge amount of Babylon 5 series discussion. I am 110% burnout on Babylon 5 fandom & reading JMS flameout/humblebrag/bus-throw/humblebrag/bitch at 100% accurate fan predictions at this point, and not going to bother writing about Babylon 5 or what JMS posted to the SF-LOVERS mailing list in detail anymore.

(2021 note: My 110% burn-out on BABYLON 5 was something I never expected to happen.)

-Charles Platt is totally not-resentfull that Octavia Butler won a MacArthur Fellows Program grant. Charles Platt is also totally not claiming the only reason Octavia Butler won a MMacArthur Fellows Program grant is because she is female and black. Oh wait, I was wrong. Charles Platt is totally resentful and extremely racist.

(2021 note: Word search SFL Archives Vol 20a for "13 Jun 1995 20:14:58 -0400" cp@panix.com (Charles Platt) to find Charles Platt's hateful email post.) 

-Gregory Benford outs himself as a "the (US Confederate States of America) South will rise AGAIN" SFF author in his GALACTIC CENTER SAGA.

-Introduction of the Changling Race aka the Dominion has more than a few 1995 SFLers seeing rip-offs from John W Campbells WHO GOES THERE short story, which of course skews into John Carpenters THE THING (1982).

-First tentative discussions of the DOCTOR WHO (1996) tv-movie. Casting still undecided, plot undecided, it will involve the BBC though.

-The SFLer who melted the fuck down about WARGAMES 1983 returns to the SF-LOVERS mailing list for the first time in 11 years to post about a Forrest J. Ackerman interview with Professor Neon(?) available via RealAudio streaming.




Sunday, April 18, 2021

SFL Archives 1994: Daniel Keys Moran December 10 1994 Status Update

  DANIEL KEYS MORAN

  D.MORAN8@GENIE.GEIS.COM

    ***NEWS RELEASE***

     December 10, 1994

 

1). The new Continuing Time novel is called "Players: The AI War." It's set

    in 2080 and follows Trent the Uncatchable almost exclusively; he's in

    90+% of the novel's scenes. It's nearly completed and will be delivered

    to Bantam shortly.

 

2.  The following novel, according to current plans, will be "Crystal

    Wind." "Crystal Wind" is the novel that was originally called "Players:

    Revolution."

 

    The novel *after* that is the novel I told a bunch of people would be

    following "The Last Dancer." This is "Lord November: The Man-Spacething

    War." LN:TMSW is set in approximately 2680, six hundred years after the

    Trent/Denice stories. It's a very big novel novel, and the first

    Continuing Time novel that's really *set* out in the Continuing Time.

    Its principal characters are Tyrel November, one of Denice

    Castanaveras' descendants, and Bodhisatva, a Pinkerton Agent who also

    happens to be a Trentist, a member of the Exodus Church, aka "The

    Church of His Return."

 

    This novel was 70 or 80% done when Bantam, due to their success with

    "Last Dancer," requested that I do the sequels to TLD next, rather than

    Lord November.  This suited me...

 

3.  In my last news release, about two years ago, I told people that there

    would be two more Trent novels; there won't be. I'm killing him in

    "Players: The AI War," for a lot of good reasons - his death is, well,

    interesting.  Even Trent fans should not be much outraged by it, I

    hope.

 

4.  Bantam has promised to republish "Emerald Eyes" and "The Long Run"

    along with "Players: The AI War." ("The Last Dancer" is still in print,

    and doing quite well.)

 

5.  For a while I was selling copies of "The Long Run" screenplay.  I've

    pretty much ceased doing that; but I am making copies of the screenplay

    available online. Several people have volunteered to handle this; I'll

    let you know what's happening with it as soon as I have more info.

 

6.  Several different groups were negotiating, at one point, with Bantam

    over adaptation rights to "The Long Run." Nothing ever came of any of

    it; people at R. Talsorian Games, for example, told me that Bantam

    never returned their calls, which I find believable.

 

7.  After I turn in "Players: The AI War," I will no longer be under

    contract to Bantam. With my new contract I thoroughly expect to make

    enough money to do this for a living which should speed things up a

    lot.

 

The following are THE TALES OF THE CONTINUING TIME:


                                                  DATE:


 VOLUME ONE: "IN THE BEGINNING..."


 Starcloud...................Previous Cycle of the Wheel

 Spacethings..............................7 Billion B.C.

 The Revolt of the Living...............4.5 Billion B.C.

 The Time Wars..........................3.5 Billion B.C.

 The Continuing Time.........................62,000 B.C.

 "The Last Dancer: The Dancer"...............48,000 B.C.

 The Painsharing of Ifahad....................5,800 B.C.

 The Lord in His Castle..................540 to 589 A.D.

 Remembrance........................................1963

 Driving in the Dark................................1982

 "Emerald Eyes: The Ancestors"......................2030

 The Shepherds......................................2049

 "Emerald Eyes".....................................2062

 Faster than the <Wind>.............................2063

 "The Long Run".............................2069 to 2070

  o  The Last Summer of His Youth

  o  The Long Run

  o  The Wall

 "The Last Dancer:  Spring 2072"....................2072

 "Bordered in Blue".................................2072

  o  Sea Songs

  o  Death Songs

 The Mechanism of Desire............................2074

 "The Last Dancer"..........................2075 to 2076

  o  Summer: 2075

  o  Spring: 2076

  o  The TriCentennial Summer

  o  The Last Dancer

 

 

VOLUME TWO: ON THE ROAD TO REVOLUTION


 "Players: The AI War"............2078 to 2080

  o  Trent the Uncatchable and the Temple of 'toons

  o  The Big Boost

  o  Live Fast and Never Die

  o  The Lay of the Rose

  o  The AI War

 Moving.............................................2082

 "Walk Against the Wind"....................2087 to 2090

 "The Last Detective".......................2090 to 2091

  o  Master of the Fucking Obvious

  o  Deathjokes, Part One

  o  Catch Me If You Can

 "Crystal Wind".............................2090 to 2100

  o  Deserts of Glass

  o  Crystal Wind

 The Voyage of the Dauntless................2100 to 2102

 

VOLUME THREE: THE WAR WITH THE SLEEM


 "A Song as Yet Unsung".....................2111 to 2119

 "A Tale as Yet Untold".....................2121 to 2139

 "Legend"...................................2145 to 2149

 

 

VOLUME FOUR: THE EXODUS FROM EARTH


 The Corridor of Dawn...............................2290

 "The House of November"....................2291 to 2294

  o  Ares

  o  Sondra

  o  Richard: the First Lord of November

  o  Lorn

 The Lords of Shadow................................2309

 The Left Handed Hunter.............................2341

 "Kinderjim on Earth"...............................2347

 "The Serendip, the Starclouds,

        and the Scout".....................2349 to 2361

  o  Discovery

  o  Looking for Home

 "Domain"...................................2382 to 2389

  o  Homecoming Day

  o  The Domain of Kinderjim

  o  Domain

 "The Always Rising of the Night"...........2468 to 2501

     (Being the  true  story  of  Our  Lady  of

     Nightways, Ola  Blue, who  was Lady  Blue,

     who was Leiacan of Eastersea.)

 Honorable Enemies..................................2614

 "Lord November:

        The Man-Spacething War"............2676 to 2682

 The Face of Night..................................2696

 

 

VOLUME FIVE:  CAMBER'S WAY


 "Young Camber".............................3000 to 3018

  o  The Child

  o  The Darkness Has a Name

  o  The Hunted Man

 "The Winding Way Home".....................3022 to 3030

  o  The Song of Camber and S'Reeth

  o  The Song of S'Reeth and the Freebooters

  o  The Old Human Race

  o  Mithian the Mercenary

  o  Homecoming Day 3030

 "Cities in the Darkness"...................3036 to 3038

  o  The Traveler

  o  Cities in the Darkness

  o  The Borderland of Night

 "Camber's Way".....................................3040

 

 

VOLUME SIX:  THE TIME WARS


 "Comes A Man"..............................3106 to 3107

 "In Time of Legend"..........................Irrelevant

 "All of the Things That You Are".............Irrelevant

 "In All of Your Brilliance:

        The Writings of Camber"........3397; Irrelevant

 

 

VOLUME SEVEN:  THE FAILURE OF THE MAP


 "Platformer"...............................2964 to 3031

 Shiva..............................................3042

 Chauki November....................................3392

 "The Golden People"................................3515

 The Return of the Ultimate Webdancer...............4600

 The High Servant...................................7822

 "Anarchist"................................8864 to 8976

  o  The Last Lord of November

  o  The Way the World Ends

  o  Anarchist

 "End of Empire"....................................9082

 "Monument: The Day of Its Release"...............10,400

     (The Last Tale of the Continuing Time:

     In which the Chained One, Creator of the

     Great Wheel of Existence, is released; the

     Starclouds and the Zaradin return; heroes

     who died before die again; and the

     Continuing Time draws to an end.)

 The Cold Time..............................circa 12,000

 

 

Related Works (fictional and otherwise):


 "The Encyclopedia of the Continuing Time" (Non-Fiction)

 "Tales of Old and New Earth"

  o  Other Times and Other Places

  o  Tales of Old and New Earth

 "The Way off the Wheel"

     (In the universal heat death, as the Great

     Wheel of  Existence collapses around them,

     a group of Heroes searches for the Way off

     the Wheel.)

 "The Sheriff of Shokes"

 THE COLLAPSE OF THE LEVELS:

  o  "Poison is the Wind"

  o  "Winter's End"

  o  "Wild"

     (A fantasy  trilogy unlike  <anything> you

     have ever  seen before,  deeper  and  more

     detailed than  "The Lord of The Rings." Of

     course you won't <get> to see it for about

     twenty years;  a trivial enough wait for a

     classic of this magnitude.)

 And, Last But <Certainly> Not Least:

 

          T R I N I T Y:  The Revolt of the Angels

                       Earth Angel

                        Sun Magic

               The Poet of the Apocalypse

 

NOTICE: The preceding is copyright 1994 by Daniel Keys Moran. It may be

 disseminated freely so long as the information contained herein is not

 altered in any way.

 

The author can be reached at D.MORAN8@GENIE.GEIS.COM

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Sunday, January 31, 2021

SFL Archives 1992: Daniel Keys Moran 1992 status update to the world

Notable for the level of hype, broken promises and writing that never happened.


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Date: 24 Aug 92 07:47:32 GMT

From: d_moran@pain.la.ca.us (Daniel Keys Moran)

Reply-to: sf-lovers-written@Rutgers.Edu

Subject: Continuing Time


     Daniel Keys Moran

       P.O. Box 667

    Van Nuys, CA 91408

    ***NEWS RELEASE***

      August 13, 1992

  

Okay, in response to the questions, for those of you who asked. (This is a

very lengthy document.)

  

1) There is a new Continuing Time novel. It's called "The Last Dancer," and

   it's set principally in 2076, though there is a lengthy section set

   50,000 years in the past. The book is principally about Denice

   Castanaveras, during a TriCentennial Rebellion. Trent is in the book for

   about one hundred pages; as I said, it's mostly Denice's story.

  

   "The Last Dancer" expands the stage on which events are taking place;

   you'll finally learn something substantial about the Continuing Time at

   large, as opposed to learning only about post-Unification Earth.

  

   The book is more than twice as long as "The Long Run", which is part of

   why it took as long to write as it did. Also I got divorced midway

   through it; and then my editor had a baby, so she couldn't edit it for

   about five months; and then Bantam fired her, along with a whole bunch

   of other people . . .

  

   The upshot is that "The Last Dancer" is completed, Bantam has it and has

   paid for it; but the book may not see publication for nine months or a

   year, until Bantam has the first draft of the *next* Continuing Time

   novel in hand.

  

   You will *never* have to wait this long again for a new book from me. My

   promise to everyone who wrote... and wrote... and wrote...

  

2) The Continuing Time novel I'm currently at work on is "Lord November:

   The Man-Spacething War." It's set in approximately 2680, six hundred

   years after the Trent/Denice stories. It's another very big novel, and

   the first Continuing Time novel that's really *set* out in the

   Continuing Time. Its principal characters are Tyrel November, one of

   Denice Castanaveras' descendants, and Bodhisatva Sill, a Pinkerton Agent

   who also happens to be a Trentist, a member of the Exodus Church, aka

   "The Church of His Return."

  

   "Once there was a thief, and the thief was God..."

  

   I think you'll like it.

  

3) There are two more novels coming about the Trent you have come to know

   and argue over. Unlike "Last Dancer," Trent will have about as much time

   on stage as in "The Long Run." The two books are due soon after "Lord

   November" - and I do mean soon.  They'll be published pretty much back

   to back.

  

Coming in 1994:

   The discovery of star travel, the passing of an era, and the end of the

   story of Mohammed Vance, Denice Castanaveras, and Trent the Uncatchable

      PLAYERS:

         Book One: The AI War

         Book Two: Revolution

  

4) And to close, some news about "The Long Run," and "Emerald Eyes," the

   novels that got everyone's attention in the first place.

  

    A. There is a "Long Run" screenplay. It's being shopped around

       Hollywood as we speak. It covers events in both "Emerald Eyes" and

       "The Long Run."  Copies are available directly from yours truly at

       $80 a pop. $40 of this goes to either AIDS Project L.A., or RLA

       (Rebuild L.A.). The other $40 is approximately what it costs me

       (time and expense) to have a copy of the screenplay printed, bound,

       and mailed. (You get to decide which of those two worthy causes your

       extra $40 goes to.) Receipts will show contribution.

  

    B. Copies of EE and TLR. *Damn* good question. If anyone out there

       finds a place where they can buy copies, let me know. I'd be

       interested.

  

       On a (slightly) more optimistic note, my editor said that Bantam

       would be re-issuing EE and TLR when "The Last Dancer" comes out. Of

       course, this was right before they fired her...

  

       Several people have requested that I make EE and TLR available as

       data files - a sort of literary "shareware." I actually find this an

       attractive idea, and I'm thinking of releasing some short Continuing

       Time fiction this way - write if you're interested - but for EE and

       TLR, I can't.  Except for screenplay rights, Bantam essentially owns

       those novels - I was 24 and naive when I signed those contracts.

  

       Inevitably all fiction will be available digitally; I'm disinclined

       to fight the inevitable, even if I thought it a bad thing, which I

       don't.

  

    C. R. Talsorian Games is currently negotiating with Bantam for the

       rights to do a "Long Run" module for their "Cyberpunk" RPG. RTG

       seems serious, but I have no idea if anything will come of it; I'd

       like to see it happen, but Bantam controls the game rights to TLR,

       not me.

  

       This does not mean there will not be a "Continuing Time" based RPG,

       even one with Trent in it; however, it may be based on scenarios

       from "The Last Dancer" or "The AI War," stories to which I control

       the rights.

  

    D. Capstone Studios, a startup graphics company in L.A., run by John

       Dismukes and Geoff Miller, is by an odd coincidence also currently

       negotiating with Bantam for the rights to do a "Long Run" graphic

       novel. Once again, I have no idea if anything will come of this, and

       it's out of my hands. *However,* it looks very likely that "The AI

       War," the next Trent book, *will* be done as a graphic novel,

       possibly even before book publication, regardless of whether or not

       "The Long Run" ever sees such publication. I *do* control the rights

       to that.

  

I want to thank everyone out there who's kept the faith with me these last

three years. The stories are coming; I haven't abandoned Trent or Denice or

my readers, or myself. I've been working on the Continuing Time since I was

thirteen, and I'm not stopping now.

  

Titles in quote marks are individual novels; the rest are short stories.

       

These are the Tales of the Continuing Time:

                                                   DATE:

 VOLUME ONE: "IN THE BEGINNING..."


 Starcloud...................Previous Cycle of the Wheel

 Spacethings..............................7 Billion B.C.

 The Revolt of the Living...............4.5 Billion B.C.

 The Time Wars..........................3.5 Billion B.C.

 The Continuing Time.........................62,000 B.C.

 "The Last Dancer: The Dancer"...............48,000 B.C.

 The Painsharing of Ifahad....................5,800 B.C.

 The Lord in His Castle..................540 to 589 A.D.

 Remembrance........................................1963

 Driving in the Dark................................1982

 "Emerald Eyes: The Ancestors"......................2030

 The Shepherds......................................2049

 "Emerald Eyes".....................................2062

 Faster than the _Wind_.............................2063

 "The Long Run".............................2069 to 2070

   o  The Last Summer of His Youth

   o  The Long Run

   o  The Wall

 "The Last Dancer:  Spring 2072"....................2072

 "Bordered in Blue".................................2072

   o  Sea Songs

   o  Death Songs

 The Mechanism of Desire............................2074

 "The Last Dancer"..........................2075 to 2076

   o  Summer: 2075

   o  Spring: 2076

   o  Back to the Beginning: Dvan's Story

   o  The TriCentennial Summer

   o  The Last Dancer

  

 VOLUME TWO: ON THE ROAD TO REVOLUTION


 "Players, Book One: The AI War"............2078 to 2080

   o  Trent the Uncatchable and the Temple of 'toons

   o  The Big Boost

   o  A Good Hair Day (The Lay of the Rose)

   o  The AI War

   o  Trent's Return

 Moving.............................................2082

 "Walk Against the Wind"....................2087 to 2090

 "The Last Detective".......................2090 to 2091

   o  Master of the Fucking Obvious

   o  Deathjokes, Part One

   o  Catch Me If You Can

 "Players, Book Two: Revolution"............2090 to 2100

   o  The Telepath, the Politician, and the Thief

   o  Deathjokes, Part Two

   o  The Light From the Crystal

   o  The Voyage of the Dauntless

   o  A Revolt in 2100

  

 VOLUME THREE: THE WAR WITH THE SLEEM


 "A Song as Yet Unsung".....................2111 to 2119

 "A Tale as Yet Untold".....................2121 to 2139

 "Legend"...................................2145 to 2149


Post one of two.


d_moran@pain.la.ca.us


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Date: 24 Aug 92 07:50:18 GMT

From: d_moran@pain.la.ca.us (Daniel Keys Moran)

Reply-to: sf-lovers-written@Rutgers.Edu

Subject: Continuing Time


 VOLUME FOUR: THE EXODUS FROM EARTH


 The Corridor of Dawn...............................2290

 "The House of November"....................2291 to 2294

   o  Ares

   o  Sondra

   o  Richard: the First Lord of November

   o  Lorn

 The Lords of Shadow................................2309

 The Left Handed Hunter.............................2341

 "Kinderjim on Earth"...............................2347

 "The Serendip, the Starclouds,

         and the Scout".....................2349 to 2361

   o  Discovery

   o  Looking for Home

 "Domain"...................................2382 to 2389

   o  Homecoming Day

   o  The Domain of Kinderjim

   o  Domain

 "The Always Rising of the Night"...........2468 to 2501

      (Being the  true  story  of  Our  Lady  of

      Nightways, Ola  Blue, who  was Lady  Blue,

      who was Leiacan of Eastersea.)

 Honorable Enemies..................................2614

 "Lord November:

         The Man-Spacething War"............2676 to 2682

 The Face of Night..................................2696

  

 VOLUME FIVE:  CAMBER'S WAY


 "Young Camber".............................3000 to 3018

   o  Young Camber

   o  The Darkness Has a Name

   o  The Hunted Man

 "The Winding Way Home".....................3022 to 3030

   o  The Song of Camber and S'Reeth

   o  The Song of S'Reeth and the Freebooters

   o  The Old Humans

   o  Mithian the Mercenary

   o  Homecoming Day 3030

 "Lord Camber"..............................3036 to 3038

   o  The Traveler

   o  Cities in the Darkness

   o  The Borderland of Night

 "Camber's Way".....................................3040

  

 VOLUME SIX:  THE TIME WARS


 "Comes A Man"..............................3106 to 3107

 "In Time of Legend"..........................Irrelevant

 "All of the Things That You Are".............Irrelevant

 "In All of Your Brilliance:

         The Writings of Camber"........3397; Irrelevant

  

 VOLUME SEVEN:  THE FAILURE OF THE MAP


 "Platformer"...............................2964 to 3031

 Shiva..............................................3042

 Chauki November....................................3392

 The Return of the Ultimate Webdancer...............4600

 The High Servant...................................7822

 "Anarchist"................................8864 to 8976

   o  The Last Lord of November

   o  The Way the World Ends

   o  Anarchist

 "End of Empire"....................................9082

 "Monument: The Day of Its Release"...............10,400

      (In which the Chained One, Creator of the

      Great Wheel of Existence, is released; the

      Starclouds and the Zaradin return; heroes

      who died before die again; and the

      Continuing Time draws to an end.)

 The Cold Time..............................circa 12,000

  

 Related Works (fictional and otherwise):


 "The Encyclopedia of the Continuing Time" (Non-Fiction)

 "Tales of Old and New Earth"

   o  Other Times and Other Places

   o  Tales of Old and New Earth

 "The Way off the Wheel"

      (In the universal heat death, as the Great

      Wheel of  Existence collapses around them,

      a group of heroes searches for the Way off

      the Wheel.)

 "The Collapse of the Levels"

      (A fantasy trilogy unlike _anything_ you

      have ever seen before, deeper and more

      detailed than "The Lord of The Rings." Of

      course you won't _get_ to see it for about

      twenty years; a trivial enough wait for a

      classic of this magnitude.)

 And, last but _certainly_ not least:

 

    TRINITY

       Earth Angel

       Sun Magic

       The Poet of the Apocalypse

  

d_moran@pain.la.ca.us


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