SFL Archives Vol 10 readthrough update 01

-The Kindle I use to read the SFL Archives decided to suicide itself during yet another blowjob hagiography review of Spider Robinson at the 2% mark in SFL Vol 10, and I didn't blame it.

(sidenote 2020:  In my free time waiting for a replacement Kindle device, gave Spider Robinson's work a re-read after dissing him hard last in my previous SFL Archives read-through posts, because maybe I'd been too harsh towards Spider Robinson previously?)

 -Lots of David Eddings BELEGARIAD discussion, lots of Piers Anthony story discussion, and lots of Spider Robinson story discussion

2020 joke: <Jeopardy buzzer: Alex, what is "Authors whose work aged beyond hyper-badly for $800?" 

Alex Trebek: "CORRECT." >

2020 Joke Explainer: Giving Spider Robinson's work a re-read was a big mistake. Repeated instances of outright sexual assault, jailbait, underaged date rape, non-consentual bdsm, date rape, rape, etc in all of Spider Robinson's short stories & novels.

-Frank Herbert's Dune series continues to be discussed, not so much the DUNE 1984 movie. Much SFL internal amusement comes from reposting an old interview excerpt where Frank Herbert says: "I'm still against the idea of sequels in principle, because it's like watering down your wine all the time until you're left with just water." This is extremely funny given how many Dune sequels/prequels have come out since 1999.

-Piers Anthony had only released 8 XANTH books up to this point in 1985...<shakes head in 2020>...and most of the 1985 SFL readers demand more Piers Anthony stories. More discerning SFL posters noticed that each new Xanth book has upped the perv-factor with female characters in them getting dumber, and younger. 

-someone posts about the 1985 convention BOSKONE 22 being terrible on multiple levels (massively overcharging one-day pass people, overcrowded, terrible panels, worse film schedule, actively hostile venue, etc) with other SFL posters chiming in agreeing. One of the Boskone 22 organizers posts a big-ass "how fucking dare you" crocodile tears effort post that fails to address any of the complaints many SFL people posted about re: Boskone 22.

-Robert Forward's ROCHEWORLD gets held up as a model of good hard science fiction writing, which uh as a first time reader of Rocheworld and it's sequel 2 weeks ago in 2020, I can firmly say; HELL NO. Rocheworld was not good or hard science fiction beyond the light-sail setup.

-book publisher f**kery pt 47: Diane Duane's (who I had never heard of before or totally forgotten about (I really didn't read YA fiction growing up)) book 2 of a existing series comes out, which leads into a digression about book publishers (Dell) cancelling entire print runs, Ballantine Books dying, books being stuff in publishing limbo, Bluejay Press taking up the copyrights, and Bluejay Press as usual utterly f**king up the release dates of books.

-BLUEJAY PRESS is or rather was the anti-matter version of BAEN BOOKS. Bluejay Press  seemed to have good talent scouts and signed lots of amazing in retrospect fantasy & SciFi authors but could never release a book on time, usually missing their own publishing dates by 4 months or more. Meanwhile, Baen Books was the complete opposite in every way.

-pt 57 of me realizing how f**king old/how long certain authors have been around for. Example: George RR Martin & Stephen Donaldson were mentioned as promising up-coming talented authors when the SF-LOVERS mailing list started up in late 1979....this time circa 1984 it's Mary Gentle and Somtow Sucharitkul.

-Theodore Sturgeon death notice (RIP)

-20th century fox (rip, lol disney buyout) tries to get a rocky horror picture show subculture going for it's 1984 movie BUCKAROO BANZAI repeated times in the SFL mailing list.

-1985 marks the first time that April 1st jokes/pranks become the THING to post on April 1st.

-The doxxing of Richard Bachman being Stephen King is completed, and some SFLer's make some extremely notMad posts about it.

-Steven Brust starts posting prolifically in the SFL mailing list about many many things.
Direct quote: "If you really want mainstream quality writing in fantasy, I recommend the Gor books of John Norman." Steven Brust, SFL Archives Volume 10

(sidenote 2020: Have and will continue to re-quote 'Steven Brust recommending GOR' anywhere Steven Brust gets discussed online. The Steven Brust recommending GOR quote also lead to to my working hypothesis of:

If Heinlein inspired a never ending series of libertarian writers, well then John Norman's GOR books inspired and showed that skeevy sex sells in fantasy and scifi. 

originally posted August 11th - August 23th in the SomethingAwful forums Science Fiction Fantasy Megathread 3

SFL Archives Vol 08 readthrough update 01

 -The SFL person that melted down ultra-hard over WARGAMES 1983 (back in SFL Digest Vol 07) first post in the SFL Digest Vol 08 continued to angrily shit-talk Wargames 1983 then switched to a classic "hahaha I was puppet-mastering you all hahaha" defense all in that first SFL Vol 08 post. Status: Still hyper-mad about Wargames 1983, and is angrily requesting anyone that doesn't have the same views about Wargames 1983 as them to "redirect this discussion to POL-SCI, please!" (usenet). 

(2020 sidenote: Broke a unwritten rule I have to not-google-search doing this SFL readthrough and looked this person up IRL. Their Wargames 1983 meltdown was just the first stages of them getting contrarian, bitter and angry about the '80s and the internet not evolving how they expected/wanted. )

-Normal not-angry discussions about WARGAMES 1983 continued the jokes and references to BURGER KING sponsoring Wargames 1983. Along with wonderment/lust at all the expensive gear MattBroderick had in-movie, and plotpoints that didn't make quite make sense (buying the plane tickets, why entering NORAD base a certain way if everything was so critical, etc). For explanation about the Burger King thing, the war computers name in the movie is WOPR which sounds a whole lot like Whopper when pronounced. Burger King, Whopper.....get it?

-Yet another another scifi author revealed themselves to defend the collective wisdom of SFWA members re: award nominations or not. I don't bookmark the author self-doxxes in SFL archive so maybe it was a previously self-doxxed author posting.

-The 1983 version of being terminally online: your sig file contains multiple USENET server paths+USENET handle, along with a CSNet email address, AND a ARPANET email address

-one of the first mentions of MUDs in the SFL. A request for people to create scenarios + storylines for a post-apoc MUD centering around DAYTON, OHIO. Look this up yourself, keywords: SMAUG Rutgers

-A 2nd request by Robert Forward for CAD artwork assistance in ROCHEWORLD.

-SFL discussion of James P Hogan's THE GENESIS MACHINE sort of makes John Ringo's writing and mary-sue main characters look subtle and restrained. Or maybe James P Hogan was a major influence in Ringo's work.
https://youtu.be/vgk-lA12FBk

-A humorous or not-humorous attempt to poison the well for a 1985 WorldCon hosting bid gets mentioned or is it just a texan tall tale? This story contains many Texas stereotypes so any AYES OF TEXAS megafans or/and Texas residents should pre-emptively calm the f**k down. 

-only mentioning a SCA recruitment ad that hypes up the allure of LARP combat because it contains the perfect synergy of "beating the cream" and GOR.

quote:

From: REDACTED.DETCADER at DETCADER
Subject: SCA
The SCA does not limit itself to any specific time period, it is
simply that most of the members are into the Middle Ages. The choice
of persona and interest is completly up to each person. If more
people who are interested in Tokagawa Japan or other periods would
join the SCA then it would become more generalized, more anacronistic
than it presently is. I am a member of a splinter group associated
with them known as the Tuchux. We are roughly based on the Tuchucks
of the Gor series, and the early German tribes of the pre-Roman Empire
times. This is not the Middle Ages. The best way to generate
interest in different periods is to join the SCA and try to generate
it yourself instead of waiting for others to do it. That is how the
Tuchux evolved and became one of the most feared forces in SCA
military campaigns. At last years War between the East and Middle
Kingdoms the Tuchux were the deciding factor in every battle and were
awarded the War Banner. There were only 60 of us too, but we cowed
hundreds and beat the cream of the fighters of both kingdoms. But
enough rambling the point was that you should join the SCA and try to
build a group suited to your tastes and maybe succeed like us. Somday
maybe I will meet a group of Tokagawa Samurai on the battle field, I
will of course slay them but it would be interesting.

originally posted between July 26th -July 31st in the SomethingAwful forums Science Fiction Fantasy Megathread 3

SFL Archives Vol 07 readthrough

 SFL Vol 07 is extremely short. Vol 07 picks up 2  months into 1983(not normal)  with a brand new SF-LOVERS mailing list moderator-maintainer. TCP/IP was a spooky-new technology being tested for SFL Digest distribution versus relying on hardcoded AarpaNet network links on dying 1970's era hardware leading to multiple week long gaps in between SFL Digests being sent out. 

-Dr Robert Forward asked the SFL mailing list for help finding a wizard of CAD to create the illustrations of variable usage robots in Forwards serialized story/upcoming book ROCHEWORLD aka FLIGHT OF THE DRAGONFLY. 

-Yet another scifi genre writer revealed themselves in the SFL archives. (I've done no lookups into any of the self-doxxed authors that have posted in the SFL archives other than Dr Robert Forward/Dr Robert Forward's edgelord son)

-RETURN OF THE JEDI (1983) came out. The shoe-horned in muppets and Ewok's and Lucas being more interested in in cinematography than telling a story are what most of the negative reactions re SFL "Return of the Jedi" posts are about. Very funny reading 37 years later, especially funny given how George Lucas tripled down on those factors for STAR WARS: THE PHANTOM MENACE.

-Glen Cook and Gene Wolfe and John Brunner got mentioned and discussed multiple times. Added tracking down Brunner's THE SHEEP LOOK UP, and Wolfe's CASTLE OF THE OTTER to my reading list.

-Mack Reynolds obituary notice. Mack Reynolds is still the best hardcore socialist scifi/fantasy writer I've ever come across. China Miéville and Ken Macleod are weak/terrible sellout in comparison. Mack Reynolds walked the hardcore socialist walk back when going to jail for being a socialist or getting black-balled was a real and omnipresent thing.

-An uber Libertarian mil-fiction series all about Texas and Texans kicking names and taking ass of everyone and everything else in the world got mentioned positively first, then not so positively mentioned.
Daniel Da Cruz is the author, THE AYES OF TEXAS is the series starting book, and the book plot is 100% ripped off from SPACE BATTLESHIP YAMATO only Texas-ified

-People who "crack-ping" on the Jeffrey Epstein threads will be delighted that Donald Barr, father of the current US Attorney General, gets mentioned for the first time ever by a weird Canadian that liked Donald Barr's writing in SPACE RELATIONS/A PLANET IN ARMS

-Stephen R. Donaldson's THOMAS COVENANT series got discussed repeatedly, but I don't give a fuck about Thomas Covenant at all, and hold to a special theory about the books. It was all a meth-fantasy/it was all a shared meth-fantasy when the secondary main character (Linden Avery) showed up.

-WARGAMES (1983) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086567/ ended up as the bridge-too-far moment/total user-meltdown topic for a SFL user that had been posting in the SFL mailing since the very beginning (September 1979). The technical inaccuracies in Wargames 1983 made this long-time SFL user snap, and angry post multiple times at length about Wargames 1983. Given that the SFL user's IRL job was/is computer security related, most of the anger/frustration appears to be coming from a unspoken "oh shit this movie is going to inspire a never-ending wave of hacking attempts by phone freaks/arpanet people....on all the systems I support/my friends support"

(2020 sidenotes:
For people not really familiar with the 1970s-80s, malicious phone phreaking and malicious computer hacking were becoming major issues in the 1980s. Prior to the malicious turn, motivation for phone-phreaking in the 1970s-80s was more for the lulz and giving a middle finger to the monolithic omnipresent Bell Telephone Company, and computer systems were isolated mainframes or very open non-networked computer systems.

Google Kevin Mitnick, Kevin Poulsen, both of whom turned legit/as-legit as possible given their history. Poulsen wrote a mostly amusing non-fiction book about another convicted computer hacker titled Kingpin: How One Hacker Took Over the Billion-Dollar Cybercrime Underground.)

originally posted between July 22nd -July 24th in the SomethingAwful forums Science Fiction Fantasy Megathread 3

SFL Archives Vol 03 readthrough update 01

-All the hopefulness posting about the Space Shuttle program in January 1981 makes me sad. These 1981 people had no idea what kind of disappointments lay ahead for the Space Shuttle program. "space filling foam" and "picking up shuttle tiles" SFL comments aged particularly badly. 

-Lots of 1960's/1970's/1980 era computer hardware failure stories/urban myths have been the exclusive topic of discussion for the past week or so. 4 parts urban myth stories to 3 parts "seen by a friend/me stories" to 1 part "destroying hardware is cool, here is how I *wink* would *wink* theoretically* wink* do so *wink*". That 1 part being so enthusiastic is another chapter in seeing Robert Tappan Morris's hijinks in a more sympathetic light.

(2020 sidenote: For people who never saw or dealt with 1960's/1970's/1980's computer hardware, in your head picture the following:

the TONKA school of design but everything built is extremely heavy, very fragile, and poorly welded in a era where OSHA compliance was people making you put money in the office swear-jar after you said "OH SHi--" during a nasty hardware failure event.)

-Jerry Pournelle posted a Press Release teaser for OATH OF FEALTY, his 1981 co-written with Larry Niven book about :sigh: hardcore libertarian's solving all of society's problems. (either genuinely never heard of this book before or I blocked all memories of it after reading because of it's terribleness. it's probably the 2nd thing, I hunted down Niven stories growing up)

-STAR WARS fan-fiction legality and gay characters appearing/not appearing in official Star Wars products.

-filksongs continue to appear and continue to annoy me (filksongs are/were SFF fan lyics karaoked over popular songs) enough to finally mention them in a "Let's read the SFL archives" post.

-The first appearance of "do my <college mathematics course> homework/research for me" appeared in the SFL archives around mid January 1981.

- The 1981 LastCon in Albany NY cosplay contest winner was a lady wearing "a costume of Luke riding a Taun-Taun", and then "all people in costume should go down to the disco and truly freak out the mundanes."...which happened, but the disco's bouncer bounced the Luke-on-Taun-Taun cosplayer.

(2020 sidenote: to read the full story of Lastcon 1981, search SFL Vol 03 for [[ DP@MIT-ML 01/28/81 00:25:49 Re: Lastcon report ]].)

-LS.MELTSNER made a series of posts about why they find hard-core libertarianism books so unrealistic, which kicked off a debate about libertarism in fiction featuring the heinlein defense squad.

-Robert Forward and a SFL troll in rare non-troll mode both posted "advice for new writers circa 1981". reposting both messages as historical data for the authors/aspiring authors reading this thread.

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Date: 18 JAN 1981 1102-PST

From: FORWARD at USC-ECL

Subject: Amateur Author Query

Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine has a few sheets of

advice and instructions to new writers that you should get, read,

and follow. Send a self-addressed stamped long business-size

envelope and a note requesting "Advice to Authors" to: IASFM,

Box 13116, Philadelphia, PA 19101.

After you have written your short story (following George

Scither's advice), then just mail it to one of the science fiction

magazines, where it will be read BY THE EDITOR. Most people don't

believe it, but ALL manuscripts to Analog, IASFM, and Omni are at

least glanced at by the respective editors. The only winnowing

that is done by the editorial assistants is to 1) make sure that

your name and address is on the manuscript, 2) the return envelope

has postage on it, 3) it is double-spaced, single-sided, and in

english, 4) is a story, not a letter. The assistant then makes

two piles, one of stories from authors that have published before,

and another of those that are not so familiar sounding. The first

stack gets the editors attention right away, but that only takes

a few hours, the editor then devotes the rest of his time, and

his commuting time on train or plane searching through the "slush"

pile for that great gem, a new author. George Scithers has been

averaging one new author an issue.

You do get paid for stories by the professional magazines.

5-7 cents per word by the digest size ones, up to $500-1500 by

Omni. You will also receive a contract outlining the rights

they are buying. You should only sell "first world English

language serial rights" to your copyright.

As for copyrights, you are protected under the new law when

you type "Copyright (c) 1980 by Ima Newauthor" on the front page.

When the story is published by the magazine, and IF they send in

the two copies and the filing fee to the Register of Copyrights,

then your copyright is automatically registered.

Any other questions?

Bob Forward

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Date: 18 JAN 1981 2203-EST

From: HITCHCOCK at CCA (Chip Hitchcock)

Subject: first stories

SALES are easy. You just keep sending out everything you write

to every conceivable market, and sooner or later something will

catch on. This can take a \long/ time, but it works for most

people who have the persistence. Obvious markets: the editorial

offices (listed on the contents pages) of ANALOG, ASIMOV'S, F&SF,

AMAZING/FANTASTIC if you have little pride and no expectation of

being paid, OMNI for the thrill. Note that Asimov's will send a

style sheet (in fact, they request that you send for it before

sending them anything) on format for a submitted manuscript;

it's very helpful.

COPYRIGHT: state on the title page "Copyright [c-in-a-circle]

[year] by [your name]"; under the revised law this is sufificient

until the manuscript is actually published, at which point other

factors are managed by the publisher. \Always/ keep a carbon for

evidence, reference, and the perversity of the Post Offal.

MONEY: Usually a zine has a fixed rate per word, sliding downward

for longer material. None of the above are entitled to publish the

story for free, although there are magazines of legend which paid

authors only on threat of lawsuit. Others pay on acceptance or

publication.

REVIEWING: This is the hardest part. Asking friends is a good way

to get sweetened criticism and/or drive them away. Frequently an

editor who sees some promise in a work will take some time to point

outflaws, although a commentless bounce doesn't mean it's hopeless;

editors vary and I don't know what current personal policies are.

The National Fantasy Fan Federation has a story contest which may

get you some useful comments; the one with 12/1/80 deadline was

managed by Donald Franson, 6543 Babcock Ave., North Hollywood CA

91606; he should know about next year's contest. If you're \really/

serious about this, there are some good beginning writers' workshops,

and a lot of terrible ones.

ADVICE: Magazines are frequently in need of good short material,

although such will often take longer to appear once sold. First

novels without a published background and/or a sponsor are difficult

to sell, although you could always try Manor Books if you can think

of a good pseudonym. Once you sell something, you are eligible to

join SF Writers of America, an organization with many flaws but

some overriding virtues; do so.

GOOD LUCK! And let us all know when you sell something.

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originally posted between June 29th - June 30th in the SomethingAwful forums Science Fiction Fantasy Megathread 3

SFL Archives Vol 02 readthrough update 02

 -STAR WARS pt 3: lots of the cut scenes and concept drawings from New Hope + Empire Strikes Back got recycled for ROGUE ONE....like Vaders iron castle in a sea of lava, and the slow ground effect destruction of the death star in Rogue One also got predicted in SFL chat, either as cut effects or as physics discussion about blowing a planet apart.

-came across a SFL poster that I have mentally badged "DolphinF**ker". This person whipped out 3 detailed posts about dolphins and dolphin research lore by John Lily over the course of 3 days. Keep in mind this is circa 1980, and no gopher search protocol exists, no html exists, no google...this person had to have had everything on hand....hence "DolphinF**ker"

-first case of "Asimov non-consent" at a convention/award ceremony mentioned in SFL. Asimov kissed two ladies mouth-on-mouth on the stage, then defused everything by kissing Silverberg mouth-on-mouth the same exact way

-a Heinlein Defense Squad has emerged, composed of the people who heavily espoused Robert Heinlein Libertarianism. the most strident member of the squad is unshockingly the SuperMechaGodzilla poster

-the first book of Julian May's absolutely insane SAGA OF THE PLIOCENE EXILE gets teased for a mid 1981 release (I look forward to reading the SFL reviews of it).

-the SFL SuperMechaGodzilla poster cemented their shitbag-troll status by mentioning how they have centaur on centaur artwork porn hanging in their work office just to troll for reactions.

-the Heinlein defense squad are also the SFLers whom constantly hypothesize that Leia is going to get knocked up (as all women do in Heinlein stories) and the kid Leia will have is the "Other hope" mentioned by Yoda & Ghost ObiWan in Empire Strikes back.

-DolphinF**ker appeared a few more times, dropping more dolphin research lore & tidbits like their first name and that they have a roommate. (Pity that roommate).

-Carl Sagan's tv series COSMOS came out and most of the SFL talk about it has been "INANE GRIN", "great teeth", "amazing toothpaste commercial", etc.

-f**king in mil-scifi stories, homosexual animal behavior observed in captivity and the wild (both topics are related so they got combined here)

-a resurgence of MZB's DARKOVER series chat (ugh)

-SFL slams about PJF ripping off RZ then RZ ripping off PJF then thread agreement that both PJF + RZ are pastiche rip-offs

-Dr Robert Forward pimped the appearance of his daughter-in-law in a upcoming (now 39.5 yrs past) episode of THREE'S COMPANY. Also in that same post Dr Forward doxxed his son who it turns out also posts in the SFL mailing list

-Dr Forward's doxxed son proposed a ID badge for SFL members to wear at future scifi/fantasy conventions for physical SFL meet and greet purposes, and the SFL people that go to conventions started proposing logo ideas. 

-Dr Robert Forward discloses his contract with BALLANTINE BOOKS for DRAGON'S EGG royalties. Reposting it in full, because I feel it might of archival interest to any current or future authors curious to see what a first time author circa 1980 book contract financial numbers/payout terms would be.

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Date: 21 DEC 1980 1001-PST

From: FORWARD at USC-ECL

Subject: Financial arrangements of writing

I don't know about the more complicated financial

arrangements of well-known authors, but I can say something about

a typical first-author contract with a good publishing house.

My contract with Ballantine for DRAGON'S EGG pays the

following royalties:

10% of the retail price for hardcover copies

8% of the retail price for the first 150,000 paperbacks

10% of the retail price for paperbacks above 150,000

It gets more complicated as we get into trade editions, book

clubs, foreign publications, and other rights that Ballantine's

staff sells to others. Typically Ballantine keeps 50% of book

club license fees (the SF Book Club is paying a royalty of 30

cents or about 5% of their price. I get half of that.), and

keeps 25% of foreign rights, which vary widely with country and

difficulty of translation. There will be English, German, and

Japanese versions of DE.

In order to keep beans on the table of the author while he

is finishing off the manuscript and waiting the typical year

between delivery of MS and publication of book, and an additional

year before the sales are counted and the royalty calculated, the

publisher makes an estimate of the minimum amount of royalties

that can be expected and gives the author a portion of that as an

advance payment against the royalties. If the book does well,

then the advance is paid off in the first year and from then on

the author gets royalty checks. If the book does poorly, it may

never sell enough copies to pay off the advance.

As an author becomes better known and gets better agents,

then the agents keep the foreign and other rights and sell them

separately, the percentages rise, the advances become larger, and

other clauses dictating print run sizes and advertising budgets

start to appear.

In answer to Steve Zeve's specific question, since the

payment is based on a percentage of the retail selling price, the

payments to the authors have been in general keeping up with the

increases in book costs.

Bob Forward

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-SFL Vol 02 ended maybe 30 messages after that Robert Forward post royalty payment disclosure. 

originally posted between June 26th-June 29th in the SomethingAwful forums Science Fiction Fantasy Megathread 3

SFL Archives Vol 01 readthrough update 01

 Re-reading the SF-LOVERS digests from the beginning, only I'm taking notes this time.

https://archive.org/details/SFLoversDigestArchive

-If you're disappointed that there isn't more black/non-white/female/alt-gender main characters in modern fantasy + science-fiction stories, that has been an ongoing complaint about the scifi + fantasy genres for at least 40 yrs (source: SF-LOVERS Digest Vol 1, late March 1980)

-Posts coming from @UCLA-Security in the SF-LOVERS mailing list were highly readable: lots of interesting behind the scenes info about the Star Trek franchise, prophetic generic statements, and detailed summaries of then current sci-fi themed tv series/tv-movies you can now find at wikipedia/imdb.

-If you thought Roger Zelazny's original content do-not-steal AMBER series sucked and was derivative....you are correct! AMBER series was apparently a direct ripoff of Philip Jose Farmer's "World of Tiers" series. But since PJF ripped off everyone else constantly, no lawsuits happened.

-Even back in 1980 Andre Norton had a staggering amount of published fiction out in the world.

-You can palpably feel the growth of Star Wars fandom as time goes on. A now forgotten part of the "Empire Strikes Back" marketing was phone banks you could call to listen to special teaser audio clips from the ESB cast, and those phone banks being unavailable keeps cropping up. 40 years later I'm wondering WTF was in those phone-bank ESB audio clips.

-Robert Forward was a "hard-scifi author" of his era, and used the SF-LOVERS mailing list as a sounding board/rebuttal forum to hard scifi "that doesn't make sense" questions and statements.

-the ongoing jokes, taunts and dares about computer viruses and network tapeworms in the SF-LOVERS mailing list give some compelling backstory to Robert Tappan Morris's 1988 "breaking of the Internet".

-Hal Draper's 1961 short story MS Fnd in a Lbry was very prophetic, especially for software developers

Originally posted Jun 20, 2020 13:56 in the SomethingAwful forums Book Barn Science Fiction Fantasy Megathread 3